The pyramid of debate is stupid

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    [–]Klenvastergan[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Do you have any specific examples of someone being censured or censored for not following the pyramid of debate when they were arguing in good faith?

    What does this have to do with anything that I argued anywhere in my post?

    I'm not saying the pyramid of debate isn't being followed, I'm saying it shouldn't be followed.

    If people aren't being censored for not following the pyramid of debate, then it's abominably stupid for this site to say right at the top of its rules "Hey on Saidit you have to follow the pyramid of debate".

    Also in general "good faith" and "bad faith" are the sort of empty phrases that usually just mean "agrees with the person determining good faith / disagrees with that person" so they're impossible to prove.

    [–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    pointing out the hypocrisy of the other side (being fat and lazy while preaching austerity)

    That's the definition of ad hominem. It's not a valid argument usually. For example, a fat person can give good advice on health.

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      [–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

      It was a long sentence. I was merely pointing out that I don't believe pointing out hypocrisy is a valid argument. Although, people use it like an argument all the time.

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        [–]C3P0 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

        If that is a sincere question then yes, I would if the advice seemed sound.

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          [–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          Well, thanks. It happens a lot actually: the crack addict who tells others not to do it, the drunk who tells others never to start drinking, service members who warn others never to join and go to college instead, etc. It's good advice.

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            [–]C3P0 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            Now we're in opinion territory.

            they don't know enough about the subject to even make it work for themselves.

            Knowing enough and having a desire to apply the knowledge are two different things. I am pretty sure most morbidly obese people know about a 2000 calorie diet. They just don't care.