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[–]alladd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I think Marx's position would probably be that personal success and exploitation in capitalism are inseparable from each other so the position argued here is fallacious. "His own efforts" presumably include adapting to markets that facilitate the transfer of the value of labor from the laborers to business owners. It's also sort of baked into capitalism the understanding that it is a competition, whose losers are not necessarily the product of laziness or weakness, but merely circumstance, so that sort of language is loaded; the subtext is that any indignity towards obviously unfair practices are just an inability to utilize them and not a moral concern. If you can't beat em, join em, etc.

But we see firsthand everywhere how hard working people don't get what they deserve. So it's not merely hard work that is required; it's cheating. Corrupt work. The better you are at cheating others out of their money the more celebrated you are, the more successful. Our titans of industry these days scarcely create; they largely provide maintenance services for existing transfers of goods or data and profit by eliminating overhead, which means people losing jobs.

[–]ID10T 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'm decently successful, not rich, but comfortable and I came from a very poor upbringing. Never had to cheat anybody. I just worked hard on educating myself and always improving my skills.

[–]alladd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And any disparities or unfair circumstances you've faced during that time is probably due to corruption. You'd be doing even better were it not for a handful of people.

[–]TheBlackSun 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you think being poor is a necessary fuel to motivate yourself to become better?

Had everything been handed to you from the get-go would you have still turned out to be the same person or a similar likeness?

[–]xoenix 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Marx's parents were successful but he pissed it all away.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

He had a housekeeper I think he was doing ok. Probably paid by banker friends to write his books which helped influence poor people and get them to fight in wars. I actually suspect Marx didn't write his books, Engels did. We don't hear about him as much. Probably cuz he was against top down revolutions. Just supported democracy. He had based views on women too. He pretended to be communist to get with proletariat women

[–]xoenix 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

3 of Marx's kids died of starvation. He was always begging for money from Engels.

[–]Jiminy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's true. I think that was fishy, he was likely abusing them. I don't trust reports on his money. He was rich but just couldn't admit that, cuz of the implication. Him and Engels both enjoyed the good life while writing about how bad the bougoise (middle class) is. The surviving Jenny's were rich socialites, rewarded for what their dad did.