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[–]EternalSunset 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Ah, finally, a link! Thank you.

And that pretty quickly led me to this:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-population-transfer-hamas-egypt-palestinians-refugees-5f99378c0af6aca183a90c631fa4da5a

...which says this is a "concept paper" by a junior ministry with no policymaking powers, and does not represent Israeli policy.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

You lazy cunt lol

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It would make sense that both parties have as a goal to exterminate the other.

Logically in the long term there are only three solutions:

  1. Israel kills/expels all the Palestinians
  2. The Palestinians kill all the Israelis
  3. The rest of the world decides on some border, removes all weapons and armies from the region, and it becomes one big zoo policed by whoever has power. (I don't believe Israel can launch a nuke without interception by the US (if the US prepares for it, because the country is too small))

Why is it so hard for the world to just pick a solution?

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Because powerful nations aren't cooperative. They're competitive.

The U.S., China, and Russia aren't thinking "How can we get together and solve this." They're thinking "What opportunities does this conflict give me to fuck the other two?"

[–]binaryblob 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think geopolitically, if the US were to intervene in a major way (let's say they kill everyone in Gaza) that the rest of the world would do nothing. Russia has no meaningful power beyond some nukes and they aren't going to risk that over Gaza, because they hate Muslims. China has no meaningful way to project power globally and never fought a meaningful war.

I think the only reason the US doesn't do that, is because they want to have an eternal state of conflict, because that means they get to keep their military bases and it protects the status quo.

Do you think something major would happen if the US were to intervene in a major way? I think just a bunch of people hated by most of the world would just die and that would be the end of it. It's tragic on an individual level, of course and probably 99% didn't deserve that or whatever, but really, who is actually going to do anything about it?

I have the impression the US is so far ahead of the other nations militarily that any comparison is just a sick joke. China has lots of propaganda about how their military has some significance, but I just don't buy any of it. In the US there has been a gun culture for a really long time. That kind of enthusiasm ends up in the military branch. You can't buy the creativity that comes from that. China doesn't have that and it will likely never know freedom, so their weapons will also remain bad.

The US would have to invest in enough ammo to kill every man, woman and child in China, if that ever happens, but unless they don't run out of ammo, I just don't see the US losing a conventional war against China. Perhaps tactically deployed nukes (like smuggling them to US ports, etc. and detonating them as a kind of Pearl Harbor) would be a good first strike option for China, but otherwise I don't even see anything ever hitting American land.

[–]jet199 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The world already has picked multiple solutions. They get turned down by the Palestinians every time.

[–]binaryblob 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The last solution (bad, bad choice of words!) was quite a long time ago, wasn't it? As in decades. Still, I agree that the Palestinians overplayed their hand.

Right now, what solution has the world according to you?

[–]EternalSunset 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's a lie. It was leaked from IDF military intelligence. It is also the actual literal policy they are carrying out. They want to displace them out of Gaza and into Egypt from where they will never be allowed to return. Their spokespersons have explicitly defended this policy multiple times on TV. But you know that, socks. You are just trying to poison the conversation with your lies. Filthy jew.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Unfortunately, you are either misinformed or lying.

Yes, it's a paper from a junior intelligence ministry. This is what those ministries do: they have brainstorming meetings. Green light/red light meetings. No idea too strange. Hit us with everything, and we'll narrow it down.

My friend was in a NASA group like that back in the early 2000s. He wrote an official government paper on getting out of the way of an asteroid by pushing the moon out of its orbit. This does not make "losing the moon" the official policy of the United States of America.

Similarly, "evict every single Palestinian from Gaza" is not official policy, and it is not being carried out.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Even a concept paper has implications about the Israeli governments motives given current events. Just because it isn't declared policy, doesn't mean it's not their desired end game.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It means it's the desired endgame of about six people in a specific ministry.

The Israeli policymakers have no doubt looked at it and said: not realistic.

It joins a stack of probably hundreds of rejected proposals.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And I'm sure every accepted proposal was a small chunk of expansion. They take an inch and before you know it, it's a mile.