60 percent of Likely Voters Agree “Climate Change Has Become a Religion.” “Climate change has become a religion that ‘actually has nothing to do with the climate’ and is really about power and control.”

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[–]chadwickofwv 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Since this fucking religion started in the 1970's they have made hundreds of predictions whose time has come and gone. Every single one of these predictions failed to happen. None of them even came close to happening.

This climate religion must be stomped out of existence for humanity to survive. And just like all the other major religions, the people at the top know it's bullshit.

[–]ActuallyNot 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Every single one of these predictions failed to happen.

You might be mistaken about that.

Hansen's predictions based on a model built for the analysis of the atmosphere of Venus in 1981 was eerily accurate

https://apnews.com/article/science-30-years-of-warming-us-news-climate-james-hansen-664cf2e917604adf90472daa35989ffb

More modern modelling has been bang on the nose wrt global mean surface temperature.

Climate change at the poles seems to be progressing much worse than predicted. But models have a limit of resolution, and the nature of the beast is that some of the small changes that fall in between the pixels blow up into measurable or even large effects.

This climate religion must be stomped out of existence for humanity to survive.

You need to follow the money. Oil is making people who own the reserves very rich. Sunlight and wind aren't owned by anyone.

Religion is counter to science. The science behind climate change is pretty straightforward:

  • Burning fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide.
  • Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas.
  • Increasing greenhouse gas concentration increases the greenhouse effect.

[–]Alienhunter 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

You need to follow the money. Oil is making people who own the reserves very rich. Sunlight and wind aren't owned by anyone.

You need to do that with renewables as well. It's naive to think solar and wind aren't also influenced by business interests. The former especially require you to buy expensive panels that need rare earth metals to work. So the mining and manufacturing interests certainly have a stake in their wide spread adoption. Similar situation with wind and metals and construction needed to build turbines.

The climate "religion" has less to do with realistic concerns about rising temperatures but more to do with hysterical takes by environmentalist types, the doomsayers, the extreme conservation types that think any change is bad. There's a thread of severe anti-humanism that runs like a cancer throughout the climate movements. I can get behind most climate movements, and indeed most people can, so long as you can answer a simple question "how does this improve the human condition?".

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

You need to do that with renewables as well. It's naive to think solar and wind aren't also influenced by business interests.

The economics is much weaker. Everyone owns the sunlight that hits their roof. I can pay for solar panels by running the solar panel for 18 months.

The former especially require you to buy expensive panels that need rare earth metals to work. So the mining and manufacturing interests certainly have a stake in their wide spread adoption.

The rare earth mining industry is $9.5 billion and not dependent on green energy solutions. They are necessary for all kinds of electronics.

The fossil fuel industry is $988.95 billion, and every part of it has greenhouse emissions.

Which side will be paying for most of the misinformation?

That is why that side is against the consensus of scientists.

Similar situation with wind and metals and construction needed to build turbines.

That's different. There there are many players in the game who could meet demand. The earth's crust has lots of metals.

The climate "religion" has less to do with realistic concerns about rising temperatures but more to do with hysterical takes by environmentalist types, the doomsayers, the extreme conservation types that think any change is bad.

The science behind climate change is perfectly doomsaying enough. Steve Milloy has made a career denying that. And he's lying.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

People have been saying we'll be dead in 50 years for the last 5000 years.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

People have been saying doubling the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere will increase global mean surface temperatures by 3°C for 125 years.

The difference is, they've been right.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Yes. Three degree temperature rise is not at all an unlikely outcome.

Human extinction is an unlikely outcome of a three degree temperature rise. As are many of the other doomsday prophecies such as runaway greenhouse effect.

The most likely doomsday scenario is nuclear war, such an outcome may come from increased economic and migrant issues driven by warming climate on a geo-political level. Such an outcome also fixes the warming with nuclear winter. Also does not result in human extinction.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Human extinction is an unlikely outcome of a three degree temperature rise.

Three degrees would cause an unpleasant population drop. But humans and black rats won't be amongst the extinctions.

The most likely doomsday scenario is nuclear war

Conflict is related to hunger and resource scarcity. Which in turn is related (in part) to climate change.

[–]Alienhunter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The rise in temperature won't cause the population drop directly. Rather it's the nuclear war that does that. (Which will raise temperatures locally by thousands of degrees temporarily but cause a global cooling phenomenon afterwards).

I suggest you learn more about nuclear war, there is an excellent museum in Nagasaki on the topic. You can learn about the children being burned alive in their school then go out for ice cream and designer shopping at the haute dutch shopping street.

[–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Back in 2000 the anthropogenic part of climate change killed about 160,000. It'll be worse now. Cause of death of nearly half: malnutrition.