Why does anyone believe Marxism?

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Because they don't understand the power dynamics of state politics. Marx's critiques of capitalism were not wrong, but his solutions to the problems were shortsighted. Marx worshippers will tell you 'We haven't yet tried 'real' communism as envisioned by Marx', which is true enough, because it is an impossible state, and all attempts to bring it about will turn out the same way it did with the Bolsheviks, Mao, Castro and anyone else who managed to enact a centralized communist state - in oppressive tyranny and corrupt cronyism

[–]BISH 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Marx worshippers will tell you 'We haven't yet tried 'real' communism as envisioned by Marx', which is true enough,

These fools assume the actual plan was to improve the lives of the people.

The actual plan is to enslave more people, and the plan works as intended.

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The actual plan is to enslave more people, and the plan works as intended.

That depends whose plan you are talking about. Have people used Marx as a justification/cover for evil? Yes, assuredly, but I very much doubt you have actually read Marx if you are attributing this motivation to him. He definitely thought his ideas were 'good', really good, and would create a magic utopia. Like a lot of smart people, he was just better at criticizing other peoples ideas (capitalism), than coming up with solutions for them (communism).

[–]BISH 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I very much doubt you have actually read Marx if you are attributing this motivation to him.

I'm attributing motivation to the people who propped up Chaim Hirschel Mordechai (aka Marx).
He comes from a long line of Talmudic rabbis.

Mordechai didn't conceptualize these ideas. They were around long before he was, but they put his pen name on it when they need a front man.

I'm attributing the motivation to the powerbase that created him, and not the pen name that everyone attributes the ideas to.

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I'm attributing the motivation to the powerbase that created him, and not the pen name that everyone attributes the ideas to

I see, thats fair enough. I do think Marx himself was very likely a 'true believer' in these ideas, but have no doubt that the Jews would twist or exploit them for evil ends

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Correct, it's very easy to point out the problems inherent in society but while idealists may dream of Utopia where these problems don't exist it takes realists to actually implement any sort of effective reforms and the idealists can't understand the realists inability to arrive at utopia as anything other than small minded and un-creative thinking while the realists see utopian ideals as simply fool hardy nonsense rather than some guiding idyllic yet unachievable principal of how life "should be" rather than how life is.

In the end of course those who are opportunists take advantage of both groups to enrich themselves.

You see this idea in a lot of Utopian fiction of some society without "money" as a way towards true economic equality. Of course such ideas are rediculous once you start to question how such a society would work. And the answer you come to is they either still have money but they don't call it money, or they are a wholly authoritarian centralized state that dictates every aspect of it's subjects lives.

I can get behind more basic ideals of "communism" in as much as I think the idea that the worker should "own their own means of production" is at face value a good idea. In the sense that a farmer is better off owning his own land to till and either reach prosperity or fail upon his own efforts, rather than having the land be owned by some Lord be that government or corporation that dictates how it should be used to the smallest degree leaving the farmer a proverbial serf.

Of course in practice this gets a bit messy. You can't really have large factories or large scale chains of production without at least some kind of central body overseeing it. But at the very least I think our society should be pushing more towards individual ownership of property and the ability of people to make their own living and practice their own trade without the need for corporate or communist oversight of their trade.

The basic ideals I'll take from Marx are such. That society as a whole needs to be focused on smaller groups. Family first of course, but also your immediate community, which is your neighbors and people living and working in the same basic area as you. Modern capitalistic society tends to destroy the natural human social structures by replacing it with atomized workers which benefit capital but ignore the human element.

[–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because of biological Leninism. Basically, its societys losers who dream about overthrowing the system and placing themselves at the top.

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because that's what Western schools teach

[–]WoodyWoodPecker 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://imgur.com/a/c4ph1zW

[–]UncleWillard56 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It speaks to the young. The underlying theme is "out with the old, in with the new." Young people love that. I find it ironic that they never have a clear plan of what replaces the current infrastructure and are too lazy to try and correct the system through the many mechanizations that are already embedded (albeit, the system is slow and shitty and overcomplicated).