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[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

What, in your mind, is the "white culture and heritage" which unites people in Lapland, Serbia, Ireland, Spain, Belarus? There's no common music, food, heritage, religion, theatre, folk stories, anything at all really other than appearance of skin pigmentation. All those people aren't even all speaking Indo-European languages which would imply a singular heritage. So I think you're just a dumb racist who wants to imply skin appearance is all the culture that you were raised to have...which says a lot about you

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Every European feels proud about the works of Mozart, Beethoven, Leonardo Da Vinci, Michelangelo, Galileo Galilei, Nikola Tesla, Leif Erikson, Christopher Columbus, etc.

Black people can appreciate these geniuses on some superficial level just as I can appreciate some black people, but you can't really deeply connect to them, these people are "the other".

Your gay argument fails in most countries too (Croatia, Italy, Belgium, whatever), but more importantly, applying the same logic, how is black culture a thing then?

[–]Site_rly_sux 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ok so let's see.

You're saying that there are geographical limits to Europe, say, the Urals and the bosphorus. And the humans on the European side have some genetic difference, such that, their genetic nature knows which side of the Urals or bosphorus the host lives. And on one side of the Urals, humans are genetically equipped to feel pride about Mozart, and on the other side, it's just a superficial level.

So there's a gene (or some fundamental natural difference) that knows about Mozart, knows about geography, and expresses itself in real versus superficial pride depending on those geographical factors.

Does that make sense to you? Do you feel like that's a good argument which you just made? Are you happy with that as a worldview?

but more importantly, applying the same logic, how is black culture a thing then?

As I have said a few times, there is no monoculture that encompasses Tasmania and Papau new guinea and Zimbabwe - places where people live who would be considered "black" in a colonial setting.

What I think you're asking about, is the culture which arose from shared experience amongst African Americans. It just so happens that the name for that culture is Black - which is what is confusing you. There is no global black culture which is true for all people with certain levels of pigmentation. But there is a culture of African Americans which happens to be called Black.

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I don't know what you're babbling about, I didn't mention genetics at all, genetics is only a factor which makes you similar to other people, race is a feeling with the genetic component just underneath it.

Second part is just delusional, black person living in Germany is far likely to befriend other black person he encounters than a white person and he's more likely to integrate himself in black community inside of German society than German society as a whole (well, until the German society becomes predominantly black, either genetically or spiritually lol).

Also, even if there isn't a global black culture, so what? Culture isn't some static fundamental thing, they come and go, every modern state which we know of today has come to be as a mix of other tribes. Why can't you, following the same logic, create a pan-African or a pan-European state, without ignoring these basic biological facts which I mentioned in the paragraph above (i.e. that people will always associate with and prefer their own race)?

[–]Site_rly_sux 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You earlier told me that part of the fundamental makeup of human nature causes humans to diverge thusly.

You said that "Europeans" have the biological capacity to feel true pride about Mozart. You contrasted that with what you called black people, who, according to you, are only equipped to feel a superficial pride about Mozart.

So there's some fundamental part of human nature which is aware of Mozart, aware of whether it's "European" or "black" and expresses itself as either true or superficial pride.

That's a load of hokum - you're already full of shit, just for suggesting that.

But let's look at this new gibberish you posted.

genetics is only a factor which makes you similar to other people, race is a feeling

Right. It's an unscientific social construct. Finally some sense out of you.

there isn't a global black culture, so what? Culture isn't some static fundamental thing, they come and go

Right, so there isn't a black or white culture.

Why are you arguing against me again? Please scroll to the top of the page and look again at the OP post. Because here you're agreeing that race is a social construct and "white" culture doesn't exist. So you agree with me that the OP post is full of shit.

Our only disagreement is your theory about the Mozart Particle somewhere in the human body. Plus you seemed to think all Europeans have the same biological heritage. And you contrasted European with black, which is faulty too. So you're only 50% right today, half full of shit, half accidentally agreeing with me that the OP image is wrong

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You're just babbling and making shit up, I'll let you continue fighting with yourself.