Where are all the conservative socialists in the West?

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[–]Canbot 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

That is a narrow deffiniton.

No, that is THE definition. If you mean something else than use a different word. What you are doing is repeating propaganda from hucksters who literally want communism, see socialism as a stepping stone, and tricked people like you into supporting that first step by lying to you about what socialism is. You, nor they, get to redefine socialism. That is not how language works. Socialism has a definition, if that is not what you mean then YOU are using the word wrong.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

No, it's an EXTREMELY NARROW definition. The entire English-speaking world has been the object of a vast psyop brainwashing campaign to make you believe that is THE definition, so you can't think the entire spectrum of socioeconomic thought and from there, control you. It's working extremely well. Your VERY NARROW definition comes from whom? From Marx of course, you communist.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Marx invented it therfore he gets to name it. You don't get to use his word and claim it means something else.

Not using socialism to talk a out shit that is not socialism does not prevent you from talking about those other things. You can invent your own names for the made up systems you invented. Calling your made up shit socialism does nothing but muddy the water and create confusion. It is completely counter productive, unless your intent is to pull a bait and switch; tricking idiots to support "socialism" by convincing them it's this other thing then switching in real socialism when those fools help you destroy the current system.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Eh, nope. Marx didn't invent it, the word SOCIALISM was about a century old when he wrote Das Kapital. He twisted the definition around so hard, he pretended it meant the contrary of what it did.

In 1840, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon published a book in which he explained his anarchist socialist philosophy and how it might get implemented. It remained DIAMETRICALLY opposite the meaning you and Marx attribute to the term.

Freaking COMMUNISTS. Stop it Canbot. Please, just tell us you are a die-hard communist, since you are repeating Marx's written diarrhea and delusions.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Socialism is communism lite.

Both claim to solve all problems through government. One claims government will have this power (and dutifully fulfill all promises) if only you give government full control of buisness. The other simply says that buisness is not enough, you must give over control of property as well. Once socialism fails to fulfill its promises the only thing to do is go even further into that same logic and give up property.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nope. Try again.

[–]IamCleaver[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

From Google's dictionary: "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned OR regulated by the community as a whole" That is at least on of definitions. By this definitions, businesses might not be directly owned by the government, as long as the government is keeping them in check. I believe in strong government regulation of (mostly) privately owned business. If you support a stricter definition of "socialism" then you have that right, but for now, the term fits my meaning, at least in sensu lato.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

"The community as a whole" IS GOVERNMENT!

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Really. That is so strange. We are all politicians? I wonder in what dimension you live, dude. Schyzophrenialand?

Here is a proper definition of socialism: https://philosophyterms.com/socialism/

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Government is not defined by being run by politicians, it is literally anyone who governs. Even a pure democracy still has a government. But a pure democracy on a scale of more than 100 or so people is impossible. No two people will agree on everything. The more people you have the more conflict there is.

If you are stuck on trying to redefine socialism you clearly have nothing intelligent to say.

[–]IamCleaver[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So what is wrong with the government? I AM a statist

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is wrong with which government?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

YOU are the one spouting communist propaganda and saying I am redefining things. Sigh. I should have kept you blocked.

[–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, you should definitely hide in your bubble to maintain the illusion that you can defend your indefensible beliefs.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's the kicker: I don't have beliefs.