#the sneaky corona virus.

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[–]wizzwizz4 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (21 children)

You might be surrounded by people who are naturally immune, or something. For once, this is something I have researched, and something I have experience with. Yeah, the advice we're being given is rubbish, but COVID-19 is an actual problem.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (19 children)

It's a problem that the open honest science is being obfuscated and censored, if this so-called virus is even what they claim with their proprietary tests and vaccines and shit.

Patents on natural life are illegal. Making bioweapons is illegal. Either way COVID-19 patent holding is illegal.

The so-called threat is LESS deadly than the flu, a MINOR problem.

Time for you to dive into some more skepticism in /s/Coronavirus and don't forget to bring your thinking cap.

I don't even know people who know people who got it around here. I know only 1 person on Facebook in SF who got it, and recovered.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

I know only 1 person on Facebook in SF who got it, and recovered.

"Got it" means they took some test and some test said the results are positive for an undiscovered illness.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Could be. I know her well enough as legit and saw her photo. Whether she had "The COVID" or not, she was hella sick for a bit.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

I'm not suggesting people don't get sick.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I know.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Once again, Wizz is desperately trying to weasel around this issue.

He's a shill. 100%.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I'm 95% on board with you. I'm especially pissed about the WP open-source article scientism censorship.

The mental gymnastics it takes to twist yourself into knots justifying all the "authorities'" shit is evidence of 1) a shill (knowing or unknowingly), 2) very effective but never bulletproof dogma, and/or 3) a person might be about to break free of the brainwashing.

Regardless if he's a "shill" or not, name calling doesn't help. It alienates those who want a civil forum, and without providing the proof every time you make such an extraordinary claim it reflects poorly. I prefer a more descriptive form of name-calling: "He's an unskeptical authority-believing nay-sayer." It's a little longer but doesn't carry the baggage and clearly explains my beefs.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

There are a number of sensible people in this forum.

I call out the shills to give the decent folks an unambiguous heads-up.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I think that's a very valuable service to the community.

I suspect it would be even more valuable and deeply respected if presented with evidence and tact, if at all possible.

It would be easy enough to start a page https://saidit.net/wiki/index#wiki_saidit_wiki_subpages to keep track of individuals and evidence if needed. Few folks bother with the wikis and prefer to start new subs that don't amount to much.

A guard dog with teeth to back up the bark is far more effective.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I don't even know people who know people who got it around here.

People around here have been taken away in ambulances and have died. People in my ~1000 strong local community. If people around you aren't getting ill? Great! Doesn't mean it's affecting nobody.

Just because your leaders are taking advantage of the situation, that doesn't mean there's no situation in the first place.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

People die. Average age of COVID deaths is 82. Average lifespan is 81. (Varies from nation to nation.) Always with at least 2 co-morbidities. They're gonna die anyway. People in motorcycle crashes are called COVID deaths. It's fucking stupid. All you need to do is pass a test. We still don't even know what this COVID-19 is other than what they allege it is. The tests are proprietary. Private patented info for profit. There are so many false positives and people being told they have it and they haven't even tested. The thing is a joke if it's even real. ALL doctors, scientists, nurses, and people with related expertise who challenge the official narrative are CENSORED. All they do is drum up fear. They NEVER discuss solutions, such as the potential in the various chemicals and treatments they are CENSORING - including the fundamental Vitamin C.

Just because you want to have blind faith in your leaders, doesn't mean they aren't lying to you perpetually about everything - including this "situation". Shake off the irrational fear porn and wake the fuck up and put on your skeptic hat and do some serious investigating, not regurgitating. FUCK THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA PROVEN LIARS.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

Each sentence in order:

Yes. —. —. (True.) Not always, but that's pedantry. We all are. —. Yes. —. I know a bit. Yes. Yes, and it sucks. Yes. Yes. No – they're ignored, that's different; you can still find what they're saying if you look. That's nothing new, and you can still find people who aren't. Not sure who “they” is in this sentence; LessWrong's been discussing this since the pandemic began.

I don't (my leaders suck), and I know they are; I'm sure most people do. I'm not regurgitating. They're not all liars; the Murdoch-owned ones are, but some others (e.g. BBC, unless an election coincides with the charter renewal) aren't.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You NEED to watch this before you continue to have faith in and support BBC and similar government propaganda outlets: /s/WikiLeaks/comments/6ntt/the_bbc_prepares_another_hit_piece_on_independent/

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I can't find the transcript link. Could you post it, please? (Or, better, teach me how to fish find it on the Corbett Report website.)

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

While I'm pretty sure some of his interviews have been transcripted, and much of his content is translated to other languages, it's not listed there.

Of course there's the YouTube auto-translate that you can read.

I said you need to WATCH it, like a human being, not a bot processor.

But if you absolutely must read it, I'll take the auto-transcript and format it for your processing pleasure - and then Corbett can share it with the world too. I don't want to, but will if it makes you realize the corporate media, especially government media, is BEYOND unreliable.

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It probably won't make me realise that, so there's little point you expending time on it. (Though I can probably script something to parse the auto-transcript myself, so it'd be a waste of time to do that anyway.)

P.S.: I have realised why I listen to you more than I feel I should, though: when you're talking about problems, you talk like a CAPS-USING Richard Stallman. (Which isn't a good thing; people still think Richard Stallman is crazy, even though he was right. I've heard How to Win Friends and Influence People is a good book for this kind of thing, but I haven't got around to reading it.)

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Then you ARE a SCHILL, intentionally ignoring evidence to be ignorant ON PURPOSE.

Fuck your bullshit excuses and pompous attitude about only reading "legit" sources when you can't even acknowledge that the legitimizing process and all the media and governments are corrupt as fuck.

You don't need to "parse" it. It's already written out for you - just without capitalized sentences or punctuation in a perpetual run on sentence stream. It's easy enough to understand if you read along or someone simply bothers to make sentences from it.

I don't know what you mean with your Stallman reference, beyond the obvious: The sky is falling and no one cares. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra

We're in a manufactured crisis scamdemic while propaganda, shills, idiots, and sheeple refuse to see their world collapsing into this totalitarian "new normal" tyranny bullshit. They've been planning it for DECADES with Agenda 21, Agenda 2030, Lockstep Lockdown, The Great Reset, Event 202, etc. Read and watch: /s/Agenda21_Agenda2030 And throw away your corporate media - and reclaim your Windows/Macs/Google devices.

I've always been curious about that book, but not enough to read it. Maybe I'm naive or pretending I'm too virtuous or something, but it seems like it might be a slimy manipulation gimmick manual for used car salesmen and desperate horny men.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

First: /s/politics/comments/6k15/the_sneaky_corona_virus/pi4i?context=3

I can't be bothered with your code. Give a proper answer including the question to be clear or don't bother.

"They" = those who censor, the lying government and media, as usual

I don't know LessWrong well. You may have linked him before. There are many more who are also less wrong, and no shortage of them have been shared in /s/Coronavirus if you still doubt.

ALL corporate media are perpetual liars. Including and ESPECIALLY the BBC, Ch4, ITV, CBC, and any government media. You're delusional and hypnotized if you think otherwise. Break free. Just because you like their shows or personalities (why their paid to be there) doesn't mean they aren't professional perpetual liars (even if they don't even realize it).

[–]wizzwizz4 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can't be bothered with your code.

But I see you got a good way through it before giving up. :-p I'll translate the bits I'm not certain you understood.

It's fucking stupid.

Yes.

We still don't even know what this COVID-19 is other than what they allege it is.

I know a bit.

The tests are proprietary. Private patented info for profit. There are so many false positives and people being told they have it and they haven't even tested.

Yes, and it sucks.

ALL doctors, scientists, nurses, and people with related expertise who challenge the official narrative are CENSORED.

No – they're ignored, that's different; you can still find what they're saying if you look.

All they do is drum up fear.

That's nothing new, and you can still find people who aren't.

I don't know LessWrong well. You may have linked him before.

While LessWrong has been used as a pseudonym by the autodidactic polymath Eliezer Yudkowsky, LessWrong's now a forum home to essays like There is a war., and a recent (~9-month-old) subculture performing independent, amateur research on COVID-19; here's their link database if you want to skip the wordy.

Break free. Just because you like their shows or personalities (why their paid to be there) doesn't mean they aren't professional perpetual liars (even if they don't even realize it).

I understand what you're trying to say here, and it's valid, and even by my standards I'm probably being a bit too trusting here – but you'll have to work on your wording a bit if you don't want to sound like a loony. If you're trying to do outreach (which you sound like you are), you're not going to get NTs on-board if you talk like that. This criticism brought to you by “I'm probably beyond help, so somebody might as well get something out of this conversation”.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You might be surrounded by people who are naturally immune, or something.

Immune to something that hasn't been proven to exist.