Trump Orders Feds To Begin Process Of Defunding New York, Portland And Other "Lawless" Cities

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[–]CCwind 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

CRITICAL to transparency is freedom of communication and uncensored access to the masses.

Who will run the department of transparency to be responsible that all this information (all the information at the local, state, and national level) is getting out to everyone? If we leave it up to people to find it themselves, they will aggregate around people that share similar views and we are back to tribalism.

Second, decentralize all things. Fuck "leaders", "authority", "experts", "government", "corporations", "academia", "banks", etc. Be prepared and become resilient to sellouts, infiltrators, and traitors.

Given what you say about people at the end of your post about people and their intelligence, how to you propose doing this on any large scale? "A person is smart, but people are dump, stupid, and panicky."

Caution: It could fail because someone might be rewarded for presenting it poorly.

An ideal free market is a perfect engine, but it requires an educated set of consumers. Short of a matrix style downloading of information, how do you propose ensuring that someone getting rewarded for undermining the system without using a central government?

Much of the discussions of the founding of the US centered around how to resolve these problems and our system is the result. They realized, much like you, that only by setting many forces against each other to hold each other accountable could the society survive. Your proposal is the extreme form of this where the sum total of individuals are all holding each other accountable. But there has to be some trade off between not having accountability and devoting the majority of the entire society to ensuring accountability and redundancy. That can exist in the US, but it requires people to step up and put in effort (much as there are people that have and continue to do so) by being politically active and by developing independent tools. There may be room for changing laws to encourage this sort of participation, but it doesn't require rebuilding everything from scratch.

I will never expect the people to wake up so long as they're controlled by propaganda or violence/fear/starvation. But that doesn't mean I won't keep trying. I prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

Do you know how many people it takes to get a crowd to start dancing? I believe studies say approximately 3. We already have evidence of wide swaths of the country turning against the sorts of politics that you and I are complaining about here. There may be debate about how best to lead a counter-movement, but all it takes is enough pressure for someone to stand up and then people will follow.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

" I do wonder how you would enact such a system in a way that doesn't leave it vulnerable to capture and doesn't require a massive government to oversee it to ensure that it functions as intended. "

That's what you asked. It's pretty broad. My answer is equally broad. We are at "A" and I've pointed out where "Z" is. I couldn't begin to describe in detail any foolproof way to get from A to Z, much less from A to B with any success.

Just because I fear that humanity may have no chance against the ruling class' corporocratic technocracy doesn't mean I'm going to give up hope.

You are asking the tough questions indeed! And I've been pondering on them for years. I am about to withdraw from SaidIt for a few months to finish my first draft of Bittersweet Seeds, my cautionary tale that will bring up as many of these issues as I can muster. I don't pretend to have all the answers, but I'm sure going to raise some questions, and hopefully teach and entertain along the way.

In my story set in 25-30 years, somehow the underdog has developed an artificial intelligence that has gone global as a hive mind. It acts as an advisor, Jiminy Cricket, 2nd life partner, etc. It's better than a "fact checker" because it has no political affiliation other than collectively improving everyone, including itself. We all do better when we all do better. For some people this will be an easy thing to "obey". For others it will be a creative collaborator. For others it will be a manager to help them focus on their other talents. For others it will be something to order around. I'd thought of "social credits" years ago, before I ever heard of that term, because there's more to life than just binary money: have or have not.

Just as "an educated set of consumers " may be as impossible as a "free market", they're both worth striving for.

The current system is an old rotting tree. We need to grow a new organic and flexible one that can survive. Maybe a tree that grows in a stump, or through a fence to freedom, or around an peaceful fair ideal, or artificially grown around the old system to be stronger and better. There are also good images (though I couldn't find the best search wording) featuring a tree with a secondary vine-tree organically entwining the first tree - and after decades the first tree (perhaps smothered out) has rotted away leaving a bizarre looking tangle much like that previous artificial tree. This is how I visualize not building everything from scratch.

Currently there is no accountability for those at the top of the governments and corporations. They have expert propagandists that keep most of the public in the dark with profound dogmas of blind faith in their very corrupted systems. This did not happen over night, just as people are slowly but surely waking up.

"A revolution without dancing is not a revolution worth having."

Above all, THE most important thing about whatever revolution or new normal world order that may arise from this chaos, one thing is certain: It must be bottom up or else it will just be more of the same but worse.

[–]CCwind 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

As you are about to withdraw, I won't try to keep you here with continuing our discussion. I suspect there is much we agree on, but as you say these questions take a lot of pondering. One thought though:

It's better than a "fact checker" because it has no political affiliation other than collectively improving everyone, including itself. We all do better when we all do better. For some people this will be an easy thing to "obey". For others it will be a creative collaborator. For others it will be a manager to help them focus on their other talents. For others it will be something to order around.

This is a solid description of the role that religion has filled within society (imperfectly of course) throughout history.

Good luck with your story/screenplay.

[–]JasonCarswellVoluntaryist 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I withdraw when I withdraw, in a day or few or maybe a week. I haven't begun to tie things up just yet. I have too many things going on and I haven't even begun to consider how I'm going to fold it up for a while to focus. That in itself requires focus I don't even have today without much sleep.

Very astute of you. My main protagonist was one of the founders of that open source global hive mind, yet by the time the story starts he's in crisis on a number of levels. The A.I. has made him obsolete. It's also beyond anyone's control. People are relying too much on it - in blind faith. And yet it's among the few things between individuals and the corporatocracy with their own A.I.s. (Kind of the way a unions are like a pillow, thick or thin, between the boot of the corporatocracy and a human face, forever.)

Unlike God, this A.I. can talk back to you. It also doesn't need your undivided worship nor demands respect. The age of privacy is over and it records everything it can and keeps track of folks without judgement. Collective circles of influence determine what is or is not valued in algorithms too complex for humans to follow, and they are subsequently rewarded accordingly understanding the limits and strengths of each. People stick with it for the results. Fantasy I know, but there are dystopian holes punched in it too. For example, there's also a strong propaganda campaign that still has most people believing it's an evil cult, that we all need a boss, etc.

I aim to finish a first draft before the end of year. I hope you might have a look then, and if compelled offer some feedback and criticism to improve it.