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[–]GFIYTFUYDYTRDYESRESR 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

vote by mail does work, if people are honest. the problem is that nowadays people are not honest, and there most definitely are people that want to cheat the system and stuff the ballot boxes.

there is an agressive effort by some folks that want to convince everybody that mail in voting is okay, but it really is not okay.

it opens the door for massive fraud that would take an eternity to unravel.

if you want your upcoming election to be jimmy-rigged, then just go ahead and allow mail-in voting, and say goodbye to mr trump.

if the election is legit, he will win.

TRUPM 2020

[–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Again, I worked the polls and it doesn't matter whether someone comes in in person or submits an absentee or vote-by-mail ballot. All that shit gets counted by the same people, all of whom have to check the ballots against the voter registration list. The majority of your security concerns should be aimed squarely at the easily hacked voting machines that are used to tabulate all ballots including the paper ballots in most areas. If you had any remaining concern, well that would lie with people who are verifying the count who are largely state government employees. Regular people aren't out there stuffing ballot boxes and if they were they would be election officials who would have no incentive to use mail-in ballots to do that - it would actually take a lot longer to mail out ballots to random voters than to just manufacture fake ballots or, again, hack the very easy to hack voting machines. This is all a fake problem that you've bought into because "Trupm" said so. In fact he's either just talking out his ass or he wants an excuse to declare the election invalid and rule as a dictator.

[–]GFIYTFUYDYTRDYESRESR 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

with mail-in voting, it is not a very big deal for me to mail in two hundred million fake votes.

your move.

[–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

For the millionth time, the votes get mailed in to the exact same people who would tabulate the in-person votes and those votes are checked against the voter registration lists by actual humans. So it makes, again, no fucking difference, the method by which a person votes.

[–]GFIYTFUYDYTRDYESRESR 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

again, for the millionth time, why are you obsessed with having mail-in voting?

[–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't call it an obsession but COVID. I know people who have had it and been hospitalized with it. In-person voting will spread Covid especially in places where lines are long. It will prevent medically vulnerable people (or people who are caregivers of those types of people) from voting. I want the most registered voters to vote as possible.

[–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Like, how are you imagining this mail-in ballot being dealt with? Do you think that anything that gets mailed to the board of elections is magically tabulated by elves without checking it against any official lists? The votes aren't even visible on the outside of the ballots! The biggest risk is actually from throwing ballots away, but that would be done by government officials, not individual people, and again, that could more easily be done by hacking voting machines. - If you've never googled how easy it is to hack the voting machines, get on that. I expect better from random internet people - most people who spend this much time on the internet are already aware that voting machines represent the major election fraud threat.

[–]GFIYTFUYDYTRDYESRESR 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

what exactly is your interest in mail-in voting being allowed?

[–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Covid, my friend. This is the obvious answer but your mind won't accept it because you default to distrusting the most obvious answer and also people's motives. Also, again, I used to live in a state where almost everyone has used mail-in voting for years. Somehow Oregonians still elect blue reps in the blue areas and red reps in the red areas.

[–]quickbeam 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also can I just say "two hundred million fake votes" not a big deal - it's like you don't understand the amount of paper that would require, postage, people handling those boxes and not noticing a discrepancy, people processing those votes by hand (which is the case with mail in voting) and somehow not noticing that they don't match the lists, etc. It's just stunning that you think that would be easy to achieve. 1,000 fake votes on paper would be almost impossible to pass through, let alone two hundred million. On a voting machine, piece of fucking cake, which is again why, if there is fraud on a mass scale it will be done digitally.