The Left is Now the Right: We laughed at the Republican busybody who couldn't joke, declared war on dirty paintings, and peered through your bedroom window. Now that person has switched sides, and nobody's laughing

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[–]wuzizname 34 insightful - 2 fun34 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

The left is way worse than the hard conservatives and evangelical christians of the 70s and 80s. They just wanted to ban shit like promo, D&D and heavy metal bands. They wouldn’t show up at some random guys job to get him fired because said random guy admitted that he liked to play d&d while listening to Kiss.

[–]quipu[S] 19 insightful - 2 fun19 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is how I remembered it as well, but someone in another discussion reminded me about conservative talk/TV hosts getting people fired and shows cancelled. Focus on the Family, Glenn Beck, etc all pulled these sorts of campaigns. I wish I had links for you but I can assure you it did happen, if you doubt it then a little research should bring it up.

What has changed, other than the outrage culture mob moving to the left, is that the mob is now empowered by social media to coordinate and move more quickly. This makes them much more powerful than the conservative cancellers were.

Edit: social media also allows anyone to start a cancel campaign, whereas previously you had to be a public figure in order to get any traction.

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    [–]bagano1 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I beg to differ. Many right-wing governments actually encourage severe defunding of governmental programs, police, fire, etc. Their belief in Latin America is that the people should fend for themselves.

    If the Mexican government was actually run properly, they would have put one guy in charge of the drug distribution trade. Their attitude however is of total apathy, which is why things are just insane there.

    The left in the US is insane however and wants to defund police because they believe this will somehow improve the quality of life for the poor in their cities. They're about to learn the hard way what a huge mistake this is. I work in the hood, they don't know what these people are like. They are the problem! Liberals, also know them too well, most are mentally ill. What I hope would happen is if they get their way, the Sheriffs, State Police and Feds would take over until hopefully the people vote these idiots out, or worst case scenario, take it over. I don't want to see something like this happen in America but maybe it just needs to happen. It pretty much did in Detroit. The Feds found charges on Kwame, forced him to resign and suddenly, Detroit wasn't putting ghetto candidates up for election anymore. First it was Dave Bing, then it was Mike Duggan, a white guy who has no business being elected mayor, but he's honestly done a great job. They might have to do the same thing in these nutty lib cities until they prove they can be taken off the "super-secret conservatorship." I don't know.

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      [–]bagano1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      I think a lot of the reason they support extremist socialism is because the leaders basically give them nothing and education is so terrible. I work in schools and whereas AAs are absolutely horrible human beings and do not value education, Hispanic kids and their parents are generally a lot better. Even if they're into the gangster life, they listen to you and can be controlled. Even the worst ones, you can see hope for them. A lot of the second and third-gen ones are a lot better. They're basically indistinguishable from white kids.

      AAs...how can they improve in life when you have some effing NY liberal calling people a racist for trying to address problems with their culture? Seriously, I've scolded so many of these smug elitists, just schooled them. I'm like, you've never been in their areas, never been in their schools, giving them more money isn't the problem, their attitude and culture are the problem. They respond "You're a racist!" and I just light into them. I don't even care anymore, I'm so sick of enablers.

      [–]MakeAOCBartendAgain 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      People on the right are stronger and have thicker skin than the pussified, chickenshit cowardly snowflakes on the left, with their precious self-esteem and forever-butthurt feelings.
      Don't get me wrong- the right wing Jesus freaks aren't much better but they're less likely to try to get you fired - they just want you the fuck off their lawn.

      [–]wuzizname 3 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

      Lol that user name gave me a good belly laugh.

      [–]suckitreddit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I remember the days when the conservatives were in power. They did a pretty bad job, which is why people switched to the left. But the left today are far more destructive than the right ever was. Conservatives never went rampaging, and encouraging violence against everyone that breathed. But that's not to say the left have all bad ideas. Maybe a couple of their ideas are alright, and should be adopted by conservatives.

      [–]magnora7 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Yeah I agree, George Bush Jr being an absolute trainwreck who caused 2 wars costing us over $2 trillion dollars and the lives of half a million people... so it's no wonder people swung to the left. But this fast swinging from left to right and back again seems to be desired by those in power. Divide and conquer.

      What they don't want is people waking up to this sham of a dupoloy system, and realizing that neither of the two groups of people in power give a shit about any of us in any real way. Authoritarians are all the same, whether red or blue

      [–]bagano1 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The left controlled the press and could make the right look crazy when they tried to do that. The problem now is that the left IS the nanny state and the media cheers them on. It's becoming a problem.

      [–]SeasideLimbs 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

      Really great article. Made even better by not being biased toward the right either.

      What used to make the cultural excesses of the religious right so harmless - even comforting - was you knew that movies, documentaries, books, music and journalistic articles would follow to point out the lunacy we were seeing. Now those same people who gave us relief have become creators of propaganda now that their side is in charge.

      [–]quipu[S] 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Yep. Most intelligent people could see through the silly arguments based on oddball religious interpretations, so the cultural right never seemed like a real threat, even if it was worth taking seriously and opposing.

      Now that we have "woke religion", formerly clear-headed people are embracing emotional rhetoric over logical argument, since apparently logic is racist. That's concerning.

      [–]mekelraptor 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

      New Left is quasi-religious: they have credo - social justice, gender, feminism; they have primordial sin - white privilege; anyone who thinks differently is a sinner who should be cast out from the society of the righteous. It based on feelings and emotions and so can't be reasoned with.

      [–]VirgilGriff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

      Atheism was a mistake.

      God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

      Obviously we have not demonstrated that we're great enough yet for this deed, to wash the blood clean. Once again the atheist ideology of cultural Marxism is repeating itself, despite having lead to the murder of hundreds of millions around the world. The human mind needs something to replace religion with, and it's abundantly clear that the atheism+ crowd that grew up on the 90s and 00s are just fucking wrong: removing Christianity won't lead to some rational world where everyone is reasonable, thoughtful, and moral. It leads to SJWs, cancel culture, witch hunts against children because a member of the church selected them for sacrifice by beating a drum in their faces, etc.

      [–]flugegeheimen 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Atheism+ != atheism (and while we are at it marxism != atheism either)

      cultural Marxism is repeating itself, despite having lead to the murder of hundreds of millions around the world

      Classic marxism led to that, not cultural marxism. Do you reflexively add 'cultural' whenever you type 'Marxism'? lol

      removing Christianity won't lead to some rational world where everyone is reasonable, thoughtful, and moral. It leads to SJWs, cancel culture blahblahblah

      It's hard to argue with this as long as you correct one mistake: American mind needs something to replace religion with, not "human mind". Americans just replace one bullshit religion with another, Americans produce SJWs, cancel culture, witch hunts etc as a replacement to American religious nuts, "war on Christmas" and so on. This shit does exist in other countries but mostly as long as this disease spreads there from USA. If anything, modern american SJWs, trannies etc would have a (free!) mandatory psychiatric help in an atheistic Soviet Union.

      [–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      Classic marxism led to that, not cultural marxism. Do you reflexively add 'cultural' whenever you type 'Marxism'? lol

      lol you don't seem to understand that segmenting people by ascribed identity groups is equivalent to segmenting people by ascribed social class

      It's hard to argue with this as long as you correct one mistake: American mind needs something to replace religion with, not "human mind".

      I wasn't aware that the Soviets were Americans. Thanks, non-American poster.

      [–]flugegeheimen 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      lol you don't seem to understand that segmenting people by ascribed identity groups is equivalent to segmenting people by ascribed social class

      You use a term "cultural Marxism" and don't understand that this very term exists to distinguish it from actual marxism? Do you think people add 'cultural' just for fun or something?

      I wasn't aware that the Soviets were Americans.

      Soviets didn't "replace religion" with anything, they just separated the church from state.

      [–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      You use a term "cultural Marxism" and don't understand that this very term exists to distinguish it from actual marxism? Do you think people add 'cultural' just for fun or something?

      I explained the difference, and therefore explained how they're nearly identical. Instead of class struggle you define your oppressor and victim groups via identity politics and intersectionality. I acknowledged the slight differences and it changes nothing in my argument (and hence why I didn't elaborate in the first place).

      Soviets didn't "replace religion" with anything, they just separated the church from state.

      Fucking lying communist piece of shit. Get thrown in the Gulags. The Soviets gave tenners to religious adherents who wouldn't renounce the church. There were entire attempted revolutions fought over this, especially among devout old women. The bolsheviks required that everyone accept the supremacy of the prole dictatoriship, renounce religion (and especially religious authority), and dissolve any community worship. Those that refused were literally tortured, murdered, and worked to death.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

      https://archive.org/stream/AleksandrSolzhenitsynTheGulagArchipelago/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn_The_Gulag_Archipelago_djvu.txt

      [–]flugegeheimen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Instead of class struggle you define your oppressor and victim groups via identity politics and intersectionality.

      Yes, so cultural marxism and classic marxism are two different things and you can't attribute whatever victim numbers you made up for latter to former, which was your argument initially. And they aren't equivalent which was your another argument.

      Fucking lying communist piece of shit.

      You are projecting about "fucking lying piece of shit" and simply wrong on "communist" part.

      The Soviets gave tenners

      Ten dollar bills? Anyway you are conflating murdering and blablahblah religious adherents and persecuting for being religious adherents. No one really gave shit about "renouncing the church" in gulag, a lot of remaining church members just happened to support the old regime (which is understandable, considering that the church was separated from the state and lost immense privileges) and that's what they were persecuted for.

      "The revolutions of old devout women" is such a hilarious shit I can't really tell whether you butchered real facts out of ignorance or just completely made it up from own drunken ravings.

      The bolsheviks required that everyone accept the supremacy of the prole dictatoriship, renounce religion

      They didn't require everyone to renounce religion (taking about "fucking lying piece of shit"), and the church existed in USSR until the collapse of latter.

      Edit: I just realized that you successfully moved the conversation to whatever problems of your education you are trying to patch up with Wikipedia, while actual point "Soviets didn't "replace religion" with anything" was unaddressed. Shame on me, I guess.

      [–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Ten dollar bills?

      Thanks for demonstrating you don't know the first fucking thing about this

      [–]mekelraptor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      Nietzsche's point is that Christianity was a rock upon which entire Western thought and ethics was built. To discard Christianity is, in fact, to discard West. One cannot remove foundation and expect the building to stand. The deepest philosophical problem is that atheistic modernity understands the need for God but, at the same time, has become to critical and skeptical to be able to believe in one. Marxists deeply desire Paradise but because they cannot believe in God they try to force their vision of paradise upon material world.

      [–]VirgilGriff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      To discard Christianity is, in fact, to discard West.

      That wasn't his point. He says it right there. "Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?" The entirety of Thus Spake Zarathustra is about the overman. I.e., that when man takes it upon himself to kill God, the only choices left are to become like a God (capable of creating a system to replace religion that is even better) or to die.

      [–]mekelraptor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      There is a theory that Nietzsche knew - consciously or not - that overman was a unreal concept. In a sense he knew that his solution to the question of meaning of life was wrong. This gradually drove him anxious up to his nervous collapse. Also overman is a concept from early and middle stage of his writing. Late Nietzsche is far more pessimistic - take for instance "European nihilism" from Will to Power.

      [–]quipu[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      This gradually drove him anxious up to his nervous collapse.

      Well, that and syphilis. But otherwise I agree.

      [–]bagano1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Nailed it. It has become a religion, and like any religion, hijacked by fanatics who use it to oppress people.

      I'm pro-mask, but anyone seen these people go after people not wearing masks in stores and restaurants? Notice most are going after women. They don't want to go after guys because the soyboys will get wrecked.

      They're psycho bullies who use the rules to attack people. It's pretty much why vigilantism was discouraged. You would have people like this who felt it was open season on anyone who broke a rule. As you might imagine, they probably went after the wrong person...A LOT.

      [–]72ndGender 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      This is why I will never be a republican. I'm old enough to remember how big of pieces of shit they used to be. Just because lefties took over where the neocons left off, doesn't mean I'm going to take sides. I'll admit that lefties are way better at it, but I wouldn't be surprised if the right comes back even crazier.

      [–]quipu[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      If the Republican party could remake itself as a coalition of libertarians and populists, I might be convinced. I doubt it though. There's too much money in big government politics, which for Republicans usually involves fat defense contracts and preferential "regulation" loopholes for allies. (Dems are even worse of course.) It's unfortunate.

      [–]72ndGender 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Spot on. But if the libertarian ideology keeps growing in popularity, the republicans will be forced to take on some of the ideals. Just to survive against the dems. The dems can't take on anything libertarian (except marijuana deregulation) since their main platform revolves around totalitarianism.

      [–]quipu[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      The Dems won't even take on MJ deregulation at the federal level! It's ridiculous. In my dreams Trump signs an EO devolving MJ regulation to the states sometime around October. I want to see the media spin that one.

      [–]72ndGender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      That would be a damn clever move.

      [–]TokLwdSaNthg 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      “… And a parting on the left

      Is now a parting on the right

      And the beards have all grown longer overnight

      I'll tip my hat to the new constitution

      Take a bow for the new revolution

      Smile and grin at the change all around

      Pick up my guitar and play. Just like yesterday. Then I'll get on my knees and pray

      We don't get fooled again. Don't get fooled again No, no!

      Meet the new boss

      Same as the old boss”. - The Who

      [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      There is no left or right, just those who are in power and those who are not.

      [–]beermeem 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Yep.

      [–]iraelmossadreddit 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      two lefts make a right

      [–]DisgustResponse 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Why are you so interested in a life free of consequences? You have to expect people will hold your feet to the fire for being a sinner (whatever that sin is!)

      To me, all this anti-Cancel Culture/moral outrage signaling amounts to a denial of a very important part of human nature.

      [–]quipu[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It's a side of human nature (authoritarian collectivism) that affects roughly half the population to varying degrees, and which is the cause of all kinds of atrocities throughout history. I don't deny this part of human nature, I oppose it.

      [–]SaidOverRed 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Wrong. I am.

      And I wasn't the only one who saw it coming.

      [–]bagano1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The real problem is the dot-coms and where they are located. For whatever reason, they ended up on the West Coast that was already a haven for weirdos going back decades. These weirdos now control the internet. It's become a problem. Long story short, it might be time to nationalize some of these companies, split them up, I don't know. I have heard Google is behind much of the strong-arming of conservative speech online through their ad company.

      Maybe there needs to be government-operated state news to keep the media honest? I don't know. The left is hell-bent on imposing their will and does not want the public to have a say. It's really scary at this point.

      And here's the thing; no one likes these idiots. They don't have the numbers. It's not like everyone out there is vegan and voting for the hard left. We're still normal. It's a few areas like Seattle, Portland, Minneapolis, Chicago and NYC that are being run like garbage. All of this crap is because of ONE dirty cop. There is no problem with the police nationwide that warrants all this! It's not the eighties anymore! What they are doing is NOW turning cool cops into total a-holes, the ones who haven't retired or quit yet. And I mean, you can only go around calling everyone racist until no one cares anymore.

      What are they going to do when that happens? That's when the real abuse of power will start, sad to say.