The Left is Now the Right: We laughed at the Republican busybody who couldn't joke, declared war on dirty paintings, and peered through your bedroom window. Now that person has switched sides, and nobody's laughing

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[–]mekelraptor 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

New Left is quasi-religious: they have credo - social justice, gender, feminism; they have primordial sin - white privilege; anyone who thinks differently is a sinner who should be cast out from the society of the righteous. It based on feelings and emotions and so can't be reasoned with.

[–]VirgilGriff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Atheism was a mistake.

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

Obviously we have not demonstrated that we're great enough yet for this deed, to wash the blood clean. Once again the atheist ideology of cultural Marxism is repeating itself, despite having lead to the murder of hundreds of millions around the world. The human mind needs something to replace religion with, and it's abundantly clear that the atheism+ crowd that grew up on the 90s and 00s are just fucking wrong: removing Christianity won't lead to some rational world where everyone is reasonable, thoughtful, and moral. It leads to SJWs, cancel culture, witch hunts against children because a member of the church selected them for sacrifice by beating a drum in their faces, etc.

[–]flugegeheimen 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Atheism+ != atheism (and while we are at it marxism != atheism either)

cultural Marxism is repeating itself, despite having lead to the murder of hundreds of millions around the world

Classic marxism led to that, not cultural marxism. Do you reflexively add 'cultural' whenever you type 'Marxism'? lol

removing Christianity won't lead to some rational world where everyone is reasonable, thoughtful, and moral. It leads to SJWs, cancel culture blahblahblah

It's hard to argue with this as long as you correct one mistake: American mind needs something to replace religion with, not "human mind". Americans just replace one bullshit religion with another, Americans produce SJWs, cancel culture, witch hunts etc as a replacement to American religious nuts, "war on Christmas" and so on. This shit does exist in other countries but mostly as long as this disease spreads there from USA. If anything, modern american SJWs, trannies etc would have a (free!) mandatory psychiatric help in an atheistic Soviet Union.

[–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Classic marxism led to that, not cultural marxism. Do you reflexively add 'cultural' whenever you type 'Marxism'? lol

lol you don't seem to understand that segmenting people by ascribed identity groups is equivalent to segmenting people by ascribed social class

It's hard to argue with this as long as you correct one mistake: American mind needs something to replace religion with, not "human mind".

I wasn't aware that the Soviets were Americans. Thanks, non-American poster.

[–]flugegeheimen 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

lol you don't seem to understand that segmenting people by ascribed identity groups is equivalent to segmenting people by ascribed social class

You use a term "cultural Marxism" and don't understand that this very term exists to distinguish it from actual marxism? Do you think people add 'cultural' just for fun or something?

I wasn't aware that the Soviets were Americans.

Soviets didn't "replace religion" with anything, they just separated the church from state.

[–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You use a term "cultural Marxism" and don't understand that this very term exists to distinguish it from actual marxism? Do you think people add 'cultural' just for fun or something?

I explained the difference, and therefore explained how they're nearly identical. Instead of class struggle you define your oppressor and victim groups via identity politics and intersectionality. I acknowledged the slight differences and it changes nothing in my argument (and hence why I didn't elaborate in the first place).

Soviets didn't "replace religion" with anything, they just separated the church from state.

Fucking lying communist piece of shit. Get thrown in the Gulags. The Soviets gave tenners to religious adherents who wouldn't renounce the church. There were entire attempted revolutions fought over this, especially among devout old women. The bolsheviks required that everyone accept the supremacy of the prole dictatoriship, renounce religion (and especially religious authority), and dissolve any community worship. Those that refused were literally tortured, murdered, and worked to death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

https://archive.org/stream/AleksandrSolzhenitsynTheGulagArchipelago/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn_The_Gulag_Archipelago_djvu.txt

[–]flugegeheimen 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Instead of class struggle you define your oppressor and victim groups via identity politics and intersectionality.

Yes, so cultural marxism and classic marxism are two different things and you can't attribute whatever victim numbers you made up for latter to former, which was your argument initially. And they aren't equivalent which was your another argument.

Fucking lying communist piece of shit.

You are projecting about "fucking lying piece of shit" and simply wrong on "communist" part.

The Soviets gave tenners

Ten dollar bills? Anyway you are conflating murdering and blablahblah religious adherents and persecuting for being religious adherents. No one really gave shit about "renouncing the church" in gulag, a lot of remaining church members just happened to support the old regime (which is understandable, considering that the church was separated from the state and lost immense privileges) and that's what they were persecuted for.

"The revolutions of old devout women" is such a hilarious shit I can't really tell whether you butchered real facts out of ignorance or just completely made it up from own drunken ravings.

The bolsheviks required that everyone accept the supremacy of the prole dictatoriship, renounce religion

They didn't require everyone to renounce religion (taking about "fucking lying piece of shit"), and the church existed in USSR until the collapse of latter.

Edit: I just realized that you successfully moved the conversation to whatever problems of your education you are trying to patch up with Wikipedia, while actual point "Soviets didn't "replace religion" with anything" was unaddressed. Shame on me, I guess.

[–]VirgilGriff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ten dollar bills?

Thanks for demonstrating you don't know the first fucking thing about this

[–]mekelraptor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Nietzsche's point is that Christianity was a rock upon which entire Western thought and ethics was built. To discard Christianity is, in fact, to discard West. One cannot remove foundation and expect the building to stand. The deepest philosophical problem is that atheistic modernity understands the need for God but, at the same time, has become to critical and skeptical to be able to believe in one. Marxists deeply desire Paradise but because they cannot believe in God they try to force their vision of paradise upon material world.

[–]VirgilGriff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

To discard Christianity is, in fact, to discard West.

That wasn't his point. He says it right there. "Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?" The entirety of Thus Spake Zarathustra is about the overman. I.e., that when man takes it upon himself to kill God, the only choices left are to become like a God (capable of creating a system to replace religion that is even better) or to die.

[–]mekelraptor 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There is a theory that Nietzsche knew - consciously or not - that overman was a unreal concept. In a sense he knew that his solution to the question of meaning of life was wrong. This gradually drove him anxious up to his nervous collapse. Also overman is a concept from early and middle stage of his writing. Late Nietzsche is far more pessimistic - take for instance "European nihilism" from Will to Power.

[–]quipu[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This gradually drove him anxious up to his nervous collapse.

Well, that and syphilis. But otherwise I agree.

[–]bagano1 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nailed it. It has become a religion, and like any religion, hijacked by fanatics who use it to oppress people.

I'm pro-mask, but anyone seen these people go after people not wearing masks in stores and restaurants? Notice most are going after women. They don't want to go after guys because the soyboys will get wrecked.

They're psycho bullies who use the rules to attack people. It's pretty much why vigilantism was discouraged. You would have people like this who felt it was open season on anyone who broke a rule. As you might imagine, they probably went after the wrong person...A LOT.