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[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

I entertained the idea that 9-11 was somehow not what the official stroy claimed but when I looked into the supposed proof, I could find none stood up to analysis OR the analysis required was beyond my ability.

For that reason, I don't believe Israel of the US govt. did 9-11 .

AS far as Isarel goes, yeah, owing to hte very very very long history of jews being singled out and persecuted , WWII being only the latest example, I do support Isareal's right ot exist and to exist as a specifically Jewish nation.

I would think the same for anyone wioth their history.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

Search the Dr. Husely study on WTC7 or google Arcitechs and engineers for 9/11 Truth or watch the documentary (5hrs long) September 11th: New Pearl Habor.

9/11 was an obvious false flag attrocity event and explosives were found in thr dust samples of the towers. Most intelligence agencies including German and Italian intelligence have publically stated that Mossad and a 5th column within the US government orcheatrated 9/11.

Israel, specifically Zionism is a fraudulent welfare state founded on revisionist Zionism. It was colonized by Jews well before WW2. They decimated the Palestinian people who have genetic lineage to their ancestors before Yeshua.

Jews can live anywhere they want in the west, including the US. Israel is a fraudulent ethnocracy where you can be jailed as a Christian for trying to bring the teachings of Yeshua to a Jew.

Anyone who supports the current Likudnik state of Israel. The founders of modern political terrorism, as Begin admits, is anti-Christ.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Most intelligence agencies including German and Italian intelligence have publically stated that Mossad and a 5th column within the US government orcheatrated 9/11.

Links to these statements?

Jews can live anywhere they want in the west, including the US.

The US , to our everlasting shame, turned away Jews fleeing Germany in WWII. Ditto other nations. This can happen again at any time as Jeremy Corbin and AOC demonstrated. For this reason, and the past 2000 years of pogroms all over the world, the Jews need their own homeland and they have a right to defend it as a aspecifically Jewish homeland.

is Anti-Christ

OK OK so you hate us (people who support Jews and Israel I mean) . I get it already. But my reasons still stand in my view. Long standing historical animosity and attempts at actual extinction last century earned them a special dispensation from the world to have their own ethnostate.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Search Cossigna's statements on 9/11.

This can happen again at any time as Jeremy Corbin and AOC demonstrated.

Are you that brainwashed to believe these people want to kill Jews? Come on now. It is when Jews call out the criminality of CERTAIN JEWS that Jews will not be used as a scapegoat anymore either by their own kind who happen to be criminals or of a king or state.

It's that simple. And greatly, I see this happening today, though, Few Jews want to mention neocons or Israel's Mossad had anything to do with 9/11, which they did, including the Anthrax Attacks as contended by Greame McQueen who you should also look up and read some of his books or watch his great presentations.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

What I think is people who are more dedicated to the task of creating plausible narratives then I am to countering them. It's a kind of instinct to reject these narratives early. But then again, I've been sucked in by lots of false narratives about politics in the US and green energy and global warming and the university and whom to trust.

It's quite overwhleming and I for one freely and openly admit that I may be wrong about any number of things except when those things are really insane, like identity politics or David Icke (sp?) or what have you.
\ ON the other hand I can see clearly that the Marxists anf Leftists in this country want us dead at any price. Specific events are a matter of facts, for which experience is only a helpful clue . The ability to divine people's intentions however does yield to experience and I get what they have in store for us.

I will search for those statements.

You acknowledge that a lot of people hate the Jews out of the box and think they're all a part of a grand conspiracy to Ruin Everything, right?

AOC kill Jews? No that's Rashida Talib and the other squad members. AOC wants to kill White people.

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Will you at least read and watch the material I provided? Maybe get back to me and see if it changed your perspective.

I believe Zionism is anti-Semitic.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

YEs if you did all that I will watch it tonight and give you my impression. Thank you.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Watching is going to have wait for the weekend I'm afraid. But I will do it and get back to you.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay, glad to hear it!

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's a kind of instinct to reject these narratives early.

It is easy too. Much easy to live in ignorance and appeal to authority. As fallacious as this is, more and more people are starting to see through the lies but accept the conspiracy apathetically, which is far more scarier than ignorance.

It has been an ongoing battle but many scholars have stood their ground and have continued to expose the utter stupidity of the official 9/11 sanctioned narrative which was the pretext for the neoconservative Yinon doctrine.

This is of far more concern than arguing over whether climate change is real or not. It is a moot point, for the climate changes all teh damn time.

But then again, I've been sucked in by lots of false narratives about politics in the US and green energy and global warming and the university and whom to trust.

Green energy and alternative energy sources, that are cleaner are a good thing, a very good thing. But of course, oil companies what to hijack that market and transfer their assets to this new industry. As for global warming, all I know is that the earth has seen far warmer temperatures and far quicker temperature changes with destructive cataclysms. That being said their has been a degree of warming since the industrial revolution that has been on a quick trend upward. Can organisms account for this change, sure, in the long run, after a great reset. The earth heals. But I think as humans we should focus on living healthy lifestyles are preventing corporations for polluting willy nilly. Deforestation is also another terrible trend that is destroying ecosystems.

It's quite overwhleming and I for one freely and openly admit that I may be wrong about any number of things except when those things are really insane, like identity politics or David Icke (sp?) or what have you.

Know this... the US is a corporation. United states inc., as is Israel, which on charter documents is ISRAEL LLC. Even Britain is a corporation and ceased to be a monarchy in the 13th century. This entails that all countries are corporations that revolve around money flow by whatever means necessary. Politics are simply theater for the masses.

A travesty is having private central banks control the fiscal and monetary policies of the US corporation. All money is a interest bearing loan that is mortguaed to unbron generations.

What is more... when the banks create boom and bust cycles, we lose our jobs and yet all while more and more people need food, while more and more people are impoverished and starving, they implement the "sacrifice Quota", that is, destroying produce to raise prices. This is so backwards and disgusting. We have all the man hours, all the materials to feed everyone on earth, but we don't. Some of it is due to human greed but the problem stems from Banks.

You acknowledge that a lot of people hate the Jews out of the box and think they're all a part of a grand conspiracy to Ruin Everything, right?

A lot of people do hate Jews or certain Jews who also happen to be criminals. Or there are those Zionists Jews, some of whom were originally National Socialists that hate socialist Jews. There is a lot of hate. Fundamentalist Jews are quite supremacist and believe that a non-Jews soul is less than that of cattle. How nice! The ultra-orthodox Jews snip the gland and suck the infants genitals. That's disgusting and accounts, at least during the early middle-age days of Judaism as a religion and not a nationality as a reason for anti-Judaism.

AOC kill Jews? No that's Rashida Talib and the other squad members. AOC wants to kill White people

No, none of these people kill anyone. But surely revisionist Zionists have killed Palestinians in mass. This statement here is ridiculous and anti-Christ. Talib nor AOC has not killed anyone. If anything they are controlled oppositions in a cogress largely owned and controlled by Zionism and AIPAC.

AOC wants to kill White people.

AOC is Jewish as she admitted. Her ancestors were Jewish Spaniards. But that doesn't matter to you, rather you believe these people are out to kill white people. The only persons pushing this rhetoric are right-wing Zionist organizations aligned with the Likud.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If that is true then it's news to me. Anyway..... even if she's a Sephardic Jew she's joined by a lot of non-Jews and very many obviously White young women in this aspiration. I know White non-Jewish people who are this extreme in their beliefs.

So OK anti-Jew / central bank / 9-11 / pro-BDS ... whew that's a lot to absorb !

All I can say is most people disagree with nearly all those things and I totally support the right of Israel to exist for the reasons I already gave. As far as there existing some extremist Jews with a belly full of other-hate , well, so does every other religion have these types and what of it? They're not in charge of anything (of course you woud argue they're in charge of everything).

Look, your POV is so far removed from anythng my experience and intelligence tells me is even plausible that I don't think we can have a productive conversation at this time unless you want to argue maybe ONE very specific, disprovable fact drawn from your considerable pantheon of beliefs.

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My take is that Zionists hijacked the pro-white movement to create some sort of solidarity with an ethnocracy.

These ideologies are both anti-Christ.

If you think Israel should exist in its current form, I do not, for a real democracy and one state solution is the only answer to peace, I invite you to read Thomas Suraez's book on Jewish terrorism during the early days of Palestine's colonization... even before Hitler. It is ample with facts.

These same revisionist Zionists would child more warmongering terrorists who have become part and parcel of the neoconservative doctrine.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

anti-Jew

Nope. Reading comprehension is not good.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As far as there existing some extremist Jews with a belly full of other-hate , well, so does every other religion have these types and what of it? They're not in charge of anything (of course you woud argue they're in charge of everything).

Of course I would, because they are in charge of most of the commercial banks, most of thr money issuance, thy created thr Fed and permanent public debt ie., Warburg, Loeb, Schiff, Seligman, who convinced Warburg to implement income tax; Rothschild and Co., through Belmont, Levine, etc., all Jews. This is a fact. Most corporate owned media channels are owned amd controlled by Zionist Jews... also a fact.

Does that mean I hate them... no. But they are, at least a small tightly knit group disproportionally over-represented in these fieldsdue tomi group solidarity and nepotism.

I'm telling tou certain Zionist Jews did 9/11. I gave you the reading material.

Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11, period.

ONE very specific, disprovable fact drawn from your considerable pantheon of beliefs.

You asked for information on 9/11, I provided. My beliefs are that Jews must call out the criminality of the Jewish neoconservative movements and these Jews who scapegoat the rest of Jews. Until then, the future looks grim with the rising of anti-Judaic movements.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree, here, that the US did turn away Jews but so too did not many prominent Zionists who advocated for pogroms or the use of transfer camps to send Jews to Palestine, blocking all other means of transfer to other lands as the Germans contended would be better places. 125,000 Jews still fought for the Reich, mind you, which is quite a staggering number. For it was always political Zionists goal to create a Jewish state in Israel whether by force or through other means. Hitler initially worked with Zionists to transfer Jews to Palestine via the Haavara Agreement. It was only when WW2 was initiated when things started to head south for all people, including Jews, who were, yes, treated as subjevts and not citizens after 1938. And I don't condone any of this, many Germans were extremely anti-Judaic well before Hitler due to the criminality of many Jewish and non-Jewish bankers alike. Hitler unfortunately, used this view to his favor.

I invite you to read the book '1939: The War that had many Fathers' to understand that the things that happened to Germany in the past by the west, by Bolshevism, by treaties, etc., led substantially to the war and pogroms. All countries were the fathers of this war, not just Germany. That includes the many criminals bankers, some of them Jews, who gutted Germany during the depression.

There is a propensity for the human condition to blame an entire people group for the criminality of a few within its ranks.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am aware of much of what you say. Anti-semitism was all over America and in the Roosevelt administration too.

I am happy to let the Jews have Israel as an explicitly Jewish nation. On both sides of my family, my ancestors were run out of their countries and had to flee for their lives leaving everything behind. I am not laying a claim against those nations because my ancestors were wrogned. If that happens to you, you have to suck it up and make a life elsewhere.

Why do you think Israel shoudl not exist? I truly don't understand this. I guess I am a Zionist if Zionist means Israel should exist as a Jewsih ethnostate.

History is interesting to read but less fun to live through.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Search the Dr. Husely study on WTC7 or google Arcitechs and engineers for 9/11 Truth or watch the documentary (5hrs long) September 11th: New Pearl Habor.

I think I did see this. I dont' know why buiilding 7 fell. But I am not a civil engineer. I am open to further evidence but that's what I need.

I saw The Looming Tower. It is evident from the information in that that the one guy watching the 9-11 hijackers in the CIA could have been conducting a LIHOP mission and doing so with full knowledge and cooperation of the CIA higher ups . You can't exclude that as a possibility.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I'll send you some more links soon.

It "collapsed" due to explosive mechanisms, which is quite clear based on all the laws of physics broken if it had been a natural collapse. Most architects who are not tied to government and the Likud, including many demolition experts, one of whom had died in a car accident many years ago, have publically stated that the towers were and could have only been demolished to account for near free-fall collapse into the greatest path of resistance. Now had it been a natural gravitational collapse, we would not observe the dustification of bones and teeth, steel girders being projectiled laterally and even at times vertically upward at a near 100 mph falling blocks from the towers facade; discovering high-tech militry grade residues in the towers dust, molten steel being found near the towers core beams, clear and evident cutter charge splits on many of the base of the core beams, hundreds of witnesses seeing, hearing or being injured by explosives before, during and well after the "planes" hit the facade of the towers in all regions of the building, including, the basement B4 levels. Many firemen and families who lost loved ones on 9/11 know that the government lied to them and was either complicit or orchestrated the attack as a pretext for thr Global War on Terror.

Please, I invite you to watch just a few documentaries and possibly read a few papers publshed by Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

Search: September 11th New Pearl Harbor by Massimo Mazzuco, which has been censored many times on YouTube but appears to be back up on smaller channels. It is around 5hrs long.

The entire WTC complex was privatized; owned and controlled including the port authority by Zionists aligned with the Likud. Don't forget that last part.

Jews like Said and Shahak among thousands of others who expose the terrorism of the Likud which was formerly the Irgun which stemmed from Jewish supremacist groups that killed and terrorized the Palestinians just like they tried to do on 9/11 by blaming the attacks on Palestinians, by fraudulently showing them celebrating the collapse of the towers when this footage was simply historical archive footage as well as reporters giving them flags to celebrate so that they could get free chocolate cakes, are on the moral sode of history. Your quick fallacious condemnation that I hate Jews is wrongly festered. I believe Jees are anti-Christ but they can still follow Christ. Enemies should be loved but also exposed, that doesn't mean I hate all Jews, or any particular group of people.

Now imagine all of this! Imagine you use fraudulent footage to sell to the world your utter hatred and want to kill.

Howard Stern, Jewish, said to all his listeners that the US with Israel should nuke the place, kill everyone there. All based on a lie!

I love Jews, humanist Jews that understand that Israel does not have a right to exist for Zionism is one of terrorism. It always was and will always be. That doesn't mean Jews shouldn't exist in Palestine or Judah or whereever. For Jews lived among the arab and Christian populations for thousands of years. It was only when Zionists seeked to buy up and colonize the land... before WW2, before camps... that the Palestinians, who have just as much right to exist in that land as their genetic studies prove, fought back.

It should be a one state with Palestinians and Jews and Christians united under a democracy; not a faux democracy ethnocracy. Jews are free to live in the west too! And all aid to Israel and foreign countries i cludong Qatar should be stopped. Israel has tecieved trillions from thr US treasury and this has to be stopped immediately.

Zionism in the end will destroy Jews as Israel Shahak and Shlomo Sand contend, they understand this, and I nor they, want this to happen.

Frum, Wolfowitz, Feith, Kristol, Barak, Sumner, Eisenberg, Lauder, Lowy, Levine, Kagan, these are the warmongering Jews that have used you as a scapegoat.

As a Jew... call them out for their criminality.

Maybe you don't know these people.

Then search this... newsfocus.org and scroll down to thr article that exposes PNAC. Interestingly, you'll see that it never says Jew one time in the long article exposing the perps behind 9/11. Yes, many of them are Jews... but I'm not blaming you, only that your perpetuate it by them using you as a scapegoat. They should renounce their Jewishness and be tried for warcrimes and murder, same with the Likud leadership and US government warhawks.

Ask some questions:

Can a 767 travel at exactly the Vd/vmo of its speed? These hijackers couldn't even fly single cessna engines. Most professional pilots will tell you the maneuvers of Flight 77 were impossible without drone technology. And we know that the teo planes that hit the towers flew over Stewart Airport which was the first privitised airport in the US put into legislation by Laudwr and other hardline Likud aligned Zionists. Then read Operation Northwoods.

I'll send more info soon.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

OK you gave me a big post that I can't do justice to right now but I promise your effort isn't wasted and I will peruse this information tomorrow.

Thank you!

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Here are some links worth watching and reading, I'm happy to provide you with what I know, fortunately, these links do not go into the who, but rather objectively ask questions via the scientific method why the official narrative is impossible:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI1S5ATn-94

Free download, well worth the read, it will download automatically, don't worry, it is from Archietects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth:

https://bit.ly/2DwjFDl

If you are afraid to download it from the link above, download here:

https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/beyond-misinformation

When you, if you, come to the conclusion that 9/11 was an intelligence job as were the Anthrax attacks, then you can research who was behind it:, and it does become quite obvious who was behind it. I for the longest time laughed at the possibility that 9/11 was an intelligence job but researching and reading Graeme MacQueen, Christopher Bollyn and David Dray Griffin's among others books and studies has changed my mind, forever.

https://www.ae911truth.org/

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

https://www.bollyn.com/911/

Evidence


https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/technical-articles

https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/near-free-fall-acceleration

https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/technical-articles/articles-in-the-journal-of-9-11-studies/421-destruction-of-the-world-trade-center-north-tower-and-fundamental-physics

https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/explosive-features

Keep in mind, there are agents within the truth movement, hundreds of agents. Cass Sunstein, a Zionist made it clear, that agents would have to be hired to create infighting in the 9/11 truth movement to break it up. Hence, these agents introduced disinformation theories such as the no plane theory, the space weapon theory, the Judy Wood theories, the nuke theories, all are cognitive infiltration of the real truth. That the towers were brought down with various explosives, sol-gel-nano-Thermite, gelignite, detcord and possibly C4 on the core beams which are easily accessible through the elevator shafts and which had major projects just before 9/11 by a company, now defunct that specializes in demolitions (ACE and Lvi).

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Awesome thanks for the links. I hear what you're saying and I can tell you're not a troll or a crank. I will look at these links and get back to you.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://www.ae911truth.org/images/Explosive_Features_3.jpg

This is not a gravitational collapse.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here are two other small articles worth reading on your own time, both expose key players in the events:

http://newsfocus.org/pnac.htm

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Here is Paul Wolfowitz, a Zionist Jew, cryptically telling the war college what will transpire:

https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=iur8iX1sFfI

People like Libby and Wolfowitz must be tried for genocide of the people of the middle-east but instead they are the front-men for your ethics departments at Yale and other universities. If Jews could expose these Jews, fully, then Jews probably would not have been scapegoated as much.

But we can of course say they same thing about the non-Jew who is ignorant of all crimes and conspiracies committed by their own as well.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I think BDS has pretty well taken over or is in the process of taking over most universities. I will watch the link.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And that's fine... but you're wronf. Zionists aligned with Israel, as exposed by the documentary called 'The Lobby' have illustrated that BDS does not have as much grip as congress likes to contend. But they have a constitutional right to do such a thing which Zionists are trying to prevent.