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[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Most intelligence agencies including German and Italian intelligence have publically stated that Mossad and a 5th column within the US government orcheatrated 9/11.

Links to these statements?

Jews can live anywhere they want in the west, including the US.

The US , to our everlasting shame, turned away Jews fleeing Germany in WWII. Ditto other nations. This can happen again at any time as Jeremy Corbin and AOC demonstrated. For this reason, and the past 2000 years of pogroms all over the world, the Jews need their own homeland and they have a right to defend it as a aspecifically Jewish homeland.

is Anti-Christ

OK OK so you hate us (people who support Jews and Israel I mean) . I get it already. But my reasons still stand in my view. Long standing historical animosity and attempts at actual extinction last century earned them a special dispensation from the world to have their own ethnostate.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Search Cossigna's statements on 9/11.

This can happen again at any time as Jeremy Corbin and AOC demonstrated.

Are you that brainwashed to believe these people want to kill Jews? Come on now. It is when Jews call out the criminality of CERTAIN JEWS that Jews will not be used as a scapegoat anymore either by their own kind who happen to be criminals or of a king or state.

It's that simple. And greatly, I see this happening today, though, Few Jews want to mention neocons or Israel's Mossad had anything to do with 9/11, which they did, including the Anthrax Attacks as contended by Greame McQueen who you should also look up and read some of his books or watch his great presentations.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

What I think is people who are more dedicated to the task of creating plausible narratives then I am to countering them. It's a kind of instinct to reject these narratives early. But then again, I've been sucked in by lots of false narratives about politics in the US and green energy and global warming and the university and whom to trust.

It's quite overwhleming and I for one freely and openly admit that I may be wrong about any number of things except when those things are really insane, like identity politics or David Icke (sp?) or what have you.
\ ON the other hand I can see clearly that the Marxists anf Leftists in this country want us dead at any price. Specific events are a matter of facts, for which experience is only a helpful clue . The ability to divine people's intentions however does yield to experience and I get what they have in store for us.

I will search for those statements.

You acknowledge that a lot of people hate the Jews out of the box and think they're all a part of a grand conspiracy to Ruin Everything, right?

AOC kill Jews? No that's Rashida Talib and the other squad members. AOC wants to kill White people.

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Will you at least read and watch the material I provided? Maybe get back to me and see if it changed your perspective.

I believe Zionism is anti-Semitic.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

YEs if you did all that I will watch it tonight and give you my impression. Thank you.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Watching is going to have wait for the weekend I'm afraid. But I will do it and get back to you.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay, glad to hear it!

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It's a kind of instinct to reject these narratives early.

It is easy too. Much easy to live in ignorance and appeal to authority. As fallacious as this is, more and more people are starting to see through the lies but accept the conspiracy apathetically, which is far more scarier than ignorance.

It has been an ongoing battle but many scholars have stood their ground and have continued to expose the utter stupidity of the official 9/11 sanctioned narrative which was the pretext for the neoconservative Yinon doctrine.

This is of far more concern than arguing over whether climate change is real or not. It is a moot point, for the climate changes all teh damn time.

But then again, I've been sucked in by lots of false narratives about politics in the US and green energy and global warming and the university and whom to trust.

Green energy and alternative energy sources, that are cleaner are a good thing, a very good thing. But of course, oil companies what to hijack that market and transfer their assets to this new industry. As for global warming, all I know is that the earth has seen far warmer temperatures and far quicker temperature changes with destructive cataclysms. That being said their has been a degree of warming since the industrial revolution that has been on a quick trend upward. Can organisms account for this change, sure, in the long run, after a great reset. The earth heals. But I think as humans we should focus on living healthy lifestyles are preventing corporations for polluting willy nilly. Deforestation is also another terrible trend that is destroying ecosystems.

It's quite overwhleming and I for one freely and openly admit that I may be wrong about any number of things except when those things are really insane, like identity politics or David Icke (sp?) or what have you.

Know this... the US is a corporation. United states inc., as is Israel, which on charter documents is ISRAEL LLC. Even Britain is a corporation and ceased to be a monarchy in the 13th century. This entails that all countries are corporations that revolve around money flow by whatever means necessary. Politics are simply theater for the masses.

A travesty is having private central banks control the fiscal and monetary policies of the US corporation. All money is a interest bearing loan that is mortguaed to unbron generations.

What is more... when the banks create boom and bust cycles, we lose our jobs and yet all while more and more people need food, while more and more people are impoverished and starving, they implement the "sacrifice Quota", that is, destroying produce to raise prices. This is so backwards and disgusting. We have all the man hours, all the materials to feed everyone on earth, but we don't. Some of it is due to human greed but the problem stems from Banks.

You acknowledge that a lot of people hate the Jews out of the box and think they're all a part of a grand conspiracy to Ruin Everything, right?

A lot of people do hate Jews or certain Jews who also happen to be criminals. Or there are those Zionists Jews, some of whom were originally National Socialists that hate socialist Jews. There is a lot of hate. Fundamentalist Jews are quite supremacist and believe that a non-Jews soul is less than that of cattle. How nice! The ultra-orthodox Jews snip the gland and suck the infants genitals. That's disgusting and accounts, at least during the early middle-age days of Judaism as a religion and not a nationality as a reason for anti-Judaism.

AOC kill Jews? No that's Rashida Talib and the other squad members. AOC wants to kill White people

No, none of these people kill anyone. But surely revisionist Zionists have killed Palestinians in mass. This statement here is ridiculous and anti-Christ. Talib nor AOC has not killed anyone. If anything they are controlled oppositions in a cogress largely owned and controlled by Zionism and AIPAC.

AOC wants to kill White people.

AOC is Jewish as she admitted. Her ancestors were Jewish Spaniards. But that doesn't matter to you, rather you believe these people are out to kill white people. The only persons pushing this rhetoric are right-wing Zionist organizations aligned with the Likud.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If that is true then it's news to me. Anyway..... even if she's a Sephardic Jew she's joined by a lot of non-Jews and very many obviously White young women in this aspiration. I know White non-Jewish people who are this extreme in their beliefs.

So OK anti-Jew / central bank / 9-11 / pro-BDS ... whew that's a lot to absorb !

All I can say is most people disagree with nearly all those things and I totally support the right of Israel to exist for the reasons I already gave. As far as there existing some extremist Jews with a belly full of other-hate , well, so does every other religion have these types and what of it? They're not in charge of anything (of course you woud argue they're in charge of everything).

Look, your POV is so far removed from anythng my experience and intelligence tells me is even plausible that I don't think we can have a productive conversation at this time unless you want to argue maybe ONE very specific, disprovable fact drawn from your considerable pantheon of beliefs.

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My take is that Zionists hijacked the pro-white movement to create some sort of solidarity with an ethnocracy.

These ideologies are both anti-Christ.

If you think Israel should exist in its current form, I do not, for a real democracy and one state solution is the only answer to peace, I invite you to read Thomas Suraez's book on Jewish terrorism during the early days of Palestine's colonization... even before Hitler. It is ample with facts.

These same revisionist Zionists would child more warmongering terrorists who have become part and parcel of the neoconservative doctrine.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

anti-Jew

Nope. Reading comprehension is not good.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

As far as there existing some extremist Jews with a belly full of other-hate , well, so does every other religion have these types and what of it? They're not in charge of anything (of course you woud argue they're in charge of everything).

Of course I would, because they are in charge of most of the commercial banks, most of thr money issuance, thy created thr Fed and permanent public debt ie., Warburg, Loeb, Schiff, Seligman, who convinced Warburg to implement income tax; Rothschild and Co., through Belmont, Levine, etc., all Jews. This is a fact. Most corporate owned media channels are owned amd controlled by Zionist Jews... also a fact.

Does that mean I hate them... no. But they are, at least a small tightly knit group disproportionally over-represented in these fieldsdue tomi group solidarity and nepotism.

I'm telling tou certain Zionist Jews did 9/11. I gave you the reading material.

Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11, period.

ONE very specific, disprovable fact drawn from your considerable pantheon of beliefs.

You asked for information on 9/11, I provided. My beliefs are that Jews must call out the criminality of the Jewish neoconservative movements and these Jews who scapegoat the rest of Jews. Until then, the future looks grim with the rising of anti-Judaic movements.

[–]Jesus[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree, here, that the US did turn away Jews but so too did not many prominent Zionists who advocated for pogroms or the use of transfer camps to send Jews to Palestine, blocking all other means of transfer to other lands as the Germans contended would be better places. 125,000 Jews still fought for the Reich, mind you, which is quite a staggering number. For it was always political Zionists goal to create a Jewish state in Israel whether by force or through other means. Hitler initially worked with Zionists to transfer Jews to Palestine via the Haavara Agreement. It was only when WW2 was initiated when things started to head south for all people, including Jews, who were, yes, treated as subjevts and not citizens after 1938. And I don't condone any of this, many Germans were extremely anti-Judaic well before Hitler due to the criminality of many Jewish and non-Jewish bankers alike. Hitler unfortunately, used this view to his favor.

I invite you to read the book '1939: The War that had many Fathers' to understand that the things that happened to Germany in the past by the west, by Bolshevism, by treaties, etc., led substantially to the war and pogroms. All countries were the fathers of this war, not just Germany. That includes the many criminals bankers, some of them Jews, who gutted Germany during the depression.

There is a propensity for the human condition to blame an entire people group for the criminality of a few within its ranks.

[–]AsInBeer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am aware of much of what you say. Anti-semitism was all over America and in the Roosevelt administration too.

I am happy to let the Jews have Israel as an explicitly Jewish nation. On both sides of my family, my ancestors were run out of their countries and had to flee for their lives leaving everything behind. I am not laying a claim against those nations because my ancestors were wrogned. If that happens to you, you have to suck it up and make a life elsewhere.

Why do you think Israel shoudl not exist? I truly don't understand this. I guess I am a Zionist if Zionist means Israel should exist as a Jewsih ethnostate.

History is interesting to read but less fun to live through.