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[–]merc 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

race is all make-believe anyway, why not pretend to be whatever race is convenient for you at the time?

[–]Jesus[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Jews are a religion of the old covenant. Most Jews, religious, before the 16th century, did not believe a person could be a Jew and an atheist. If you were, you were not Jewish, period.

Despite the supremacy and backwards traditions of Talmudism and Cabalism, though both mystical books are also full of interesting information and verses, Orthodoxy was thus a religion and had little thought over race or Israel for that matter.

During the inquisition, many Jews were persecuted and converted to Christianity, either renouncing their religosity for a new religion, or secretly practicing Judaism but publically identifying as a Christian.

Also, many other Jews completely renounced their religiosity, and based Judaism on Blood purity and race. Zionism would stem from this ideology.

[–]spezz 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

They have done genetic studies on jews and found that they do indeed have DNA similar to that of arabs and other semitic groups other than europeans, they are not just white who decided to convert to judaism

[–]Jesus[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Read Schlomo Sand on the "Invetion of the Jewish People."

Many of these genetic studies are fraudulent. Are Ashkanazis semitic?

[–]JustAnotherRevanFan 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How were they shown to be fraudlent?

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Lenin viewed ethnic or cultural loyalties with contempt. He had little regard for his own countrymen.

An intelligent Russian," he once remarked.

is almost always a Jew or someone with Jewish blood in his veins."

It should be noted, that many of these warmongering criminals running around calling themselves Semites are no such thing. They're largely Ashkenazis, who originated from the Caucasus mountains, and lived in the vicinity of the Khazaks (aka Cossacks) of Russian and Khazakstan. In addition, they follow the extremely heretical culture of the Talmud, which excuses many forms of reprehensible behavior that serves supremacist ideologies.

In contrast, the true descendants of Israel, who refer to themselves as Hebrews and Kaolians, do NOT study, endorse, or otherwise subscribe to the writings found in the Talmud, are truly honorable and Godly people.

"Jews" = Ashkenazi =/= descendants from ancient Israelites

Kaolians = Hebrews == descendants from ancient Israelites

Ashkenazi Jews therefor, are not Jews except in name only.

An argument might be made that Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry comes from the Israelites such as in Chapter 10 of the book “The Jews of Khazaria”, Second Edition, published by Rowman and Littlefield in 2006.

However, we can certainly challenge the logic.

the main ethnic element of … most modern Jewish populations of the world is Israelite,” but supports this with “the Israelite haplotypes fall into Y-DNA haplogroups J and E.”

However, earlier the book stated that “the Y-DNA haplogroups J and E … are typical of the Middle East” but not limited to Israel.

So the logic seems to be:

All jews are (haplogroups J and E) All (haplogroups J and E) are middle eastern; the latter including “Kurdish, Armenian, Palestinian Arab, Lebanese, Syrian, and Anatolian Turkish peoples” From this we could conclude the family heritage with middle eastern peoples, not Israel simply. And if Turks are lumped in with that group, as the book does, there is no contradiction in the assertion that they are not the true Israelites. Indeed, coming full circle in that way shows the absurdity of the “rebuttal.”

The “middle east” is taken to include Armenians, Arabs, and Turks, and this itself shows the difficulty of these studies using samples after the mixing has occurred. Unless they can get enough DNA from the ancients, there is a great deal of assumption that must be mixed in. This is similar to the claim a while ago that some Negroes were descended from Thomas Jefferson. You can go up the chain, with 1/2 admixing at every step, then you have to go back down the chain, with 1/2 mixing at every step. And the DNA at each of the “1/2 admixing” steps, if it were available at all, is also the result of such a series of 1/2 admixtures.

Later, the author identifies Khazars as Europeans, which is absurd.

[–]JustAnotherRevanFan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So doesn't that disprove the Khazar hypothesis, as Jews don't have a significant Central Asian(which is what the Khazars are widely accepted as) linked Y-DNA?

[–]Jesus[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It does to an extent but other studies disprove this study. So, there's much confusion. But it seems that they came from Armenia and Turkey regions. Armenia is fairly close to the Pale of Settlement.

[–]JustAnotherRevanFan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can you link the study that shows this?

[–]Wrang1er 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What if a person that looks white but says they're jewish, are they not white?

[–]Double_A 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That might very well be. But does it matter? So their DNA is x% more middle eastern... and now?

[–]spezz 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

well the ones that are still within jewry are definitely something to lookout for, but more importantly an ever growing populace of crypto-kikes

[–]spezz 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

nigga have you looked up the differnet skull shapes between blacks, whites, and asians like how is that not proof that race exists in a great capacity

[–]merc 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

those old skull shape diagrams don't mean shit, go back to the 19th century with that logic. In reality, the genetic differences between a dude from Sudan and a dude from Ethiopia are much greater than the biological differences between either one and a European, Asian, or indigenous American. And the differences within groups are huge compared to the differences between groups. Sub-races do exist in a lot of animal populations, but there is no scientific basis for race in humans. Probably comes from the fact that we are a relatively young species which did not leave the African continent until <2 MYA.

[–]spezz 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

you are completely full of shit, the reason ethiopians and sudanese are so different is because ethiopians are descended from semites and not sub-saharan groups, no shit they would lots of differences from them, but the ethiopians still have negros dna in them and quite a bit too. As for the skulls, these "old things" as you call them, these were fucking observations, it's not like they just fucking disappeared. There is scientific basis for race

[–]merc 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If your evidence is the obvious minor differences between eyes and noses, that's not proof of races at all. We would need to see much larger differences in human genome between what you call "races" if they were to exist in a biological sense.

93% of variation in human genetics is within populations. Compare that to 64% in chimpanzees, a species in which biological races do actually exist.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3737365/

[–]spezz 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Nigga of course there is a lot of variation between populations, have you seen countries like india there are thousands of ethnic group there, or how about the US where their are 100s of different ethnic groups and those ethnic have also mixed with one another quite heavily. Different human populations were separated for 1000s of years and formed with different origins and yet we're told that we're all the same, it's fuking ridiculous

[–]merc 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Nope. Variation due to ethnicity, race, etc. only comes out to 7% of our genetic differences. Read the article I linked, it seems you are really into this stuff, you'll probably like it.

[–]spezz 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I read they are talking about populations in the US and Brazil both countries have a large amount of miscegenation, mean the races have mixed together quite significantly, and any populations, like white and blacks that haven't mixed tend to have a significant genetic variation

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

greater within than between is true for like actually different species though isn't it?

[–]merc 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Species % of Variation Within Populations % of Variation Among Populations % of Variation Among Races
Chimpanzees 64.2% 5.7% 30.1%
Humans 93.2% 2.5% 4.3%

Over 90% of genetic variation observed in Humans is within the given population. Only about 4% of our genetic variation is due to "race." Compare that to our closest relatives, chimpanzees, where nearly a third of all genetic variation is due to race.

A general threshold for whether or not different races exist biologically is 25%. Thus we see here that there are biological races among Chimpanzees, but not among Humans.

Source here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3737365/

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A swede and a german will always be more genetically similar than a swede and a negro. Simple as that.

A korean and a chinese will always be more similar than a korean and a swede. Simple as that.

Negros vary a lot between each other because negros aren't just 1 race but several and you likely know this which is why you used the argument that you did to misinform people that are less informed on this subject. The other possibility is that you were taught this by someone who wanted to persuade you of lies. Either way, to deny the existance of race is to be antiscientific.