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[–]beermeem 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Right now, you're reminding me of Osho's people who came to America thinking the Constitution and the Bill of Rights were things that were enforced literally here in the States. You're describing "a" social contract, a truism of governance, however you're entirely missing the context of "the" social contract. That's why I said you don't understand english.

Your descriptor could be dated all the way back at least to the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215, when the merchant class forced King John to codify their rights, lest they pull the plug on England's burgeoning commerce. (Or even further back, really. Probably to at least the Code of Hammurabi.) They achieved wealth separate from the Crown and used that wealth to enforce a codification of their rights.

"The" Social Contract did not come about until much later. It is liberalism's response to its murdering of God and a humanity ruled by its spiritual nature. Whereas (Western) people had been ruled by the fear of god or gods, debasement of those musings necessitated the installation of a new framework -- worship of government. As Locke asserts, no longer was family tied by nature but by social agreement. The very formation of "the" social contract is socialist in nature.

So when you go around talking about "the" social contract, it means one thing in your head but its context is entirely different to most people's understanding. And herein lies the true difference between modern Liberals and Conservatives. Liberals look at society and see a social contract. They look at government and see something that rules them at their own will and for their own good. Conservatives look at "government" and simply see people. Fallible people who must be used to one's own ends or simply worked around. Liberals still live in a pre-1848 world where they think government will one day bring them a utopia. They keep thinking -- just a couple more laws. Over that next hill. We just need to perfect the government, the contract we have with each other, and then we'll have legislated peace on Earth and free healthcare for all.

Modern American Libertarians and most Conservatives as well as most Eastern religions remain much more rooted in the spiritual nature of humanity so they retain an intrinsic trust not just in one another but also in their own experience. Liberalism's attempt to rule by intellectualism has died and CHOP is the proof. That's why I say, there is no longer "The" Social Contract.

I think that's a misinterpretation of what "the social contract" means. It's not a matter of guilt, nor a matter of helping.

Conceptually speaking, it's literally where Rousseau and Locke got the idea. They just flipped it on its head.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

"The" Social Contract did not come about until much later.

I'm not talking about an actual contract, or a specific philosophical concept put froward by one person. I am talking about the human behavior that is thousands of years old, a relationship between the rulers and the ruled that is as old as history itself. We can call it by any other name, but this is what I refer to when I use the words "The social contract". We can call it something else if you prefer, but the dynamic itself is very core to the relationship between the rulers and the ruled, and largely dictates the rhythm of history, and the rise and fall of revolutions and empires.

[–]beermeem 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Yes. And that's an extremely simplistic view of the world, which is generally put forward by socialists who think people can solve government can solve problems.

[–]magnora7 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Simplistic? It perfectly describes the cause-and-effect of reality. Sounds like you just don't like the conclusion. It describes almost every revolution in history.

[–]beermeem 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Please dude. Don't let your ego get in the way of the amazing thing you have created.

Take a step back and look at your accomplishments.

You are a good man. I dunno. Are you a man? Just had to ask since Today.z

Chill, bro. Don't put your opinion where your Dick is.