Colorado Supreme Court kicks Trump off ballot

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[–]hfxB0oyA[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

I guess the defenders of democracy just can't abide a guy they can't control.

[–]Drewski 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Direct democracy is just mob rule, which is why the United States was formed as a democratic republic rather than a democracy.

[–]monkeymagic 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

constitutional republic

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

The defenders of democracy are merely defending democracy. Which is when you use elections rather than insurrections.

That's sufficient reason. You don't need to start making other reasons up.

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    [–]wlh0242 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    He's talking about the one where the police let them in, escorted and gave the weaponless insurrectionists a tour of the capitol, took selfies with them, and then peacefully left the building....that one.

    [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Do you think that the time spent in the capitol building not smashing windows and forcing entry cancels out the time spend smashing windows and forcing entry?

    https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/01/06/jim-himes-inside-washington-dc-protest-congress-electoral-college-vpx.cnn

    [–]GuyWhite 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    CNN? Fake news.

    [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    No that's project veritas.

    That's unmanipulated footage of the insurrectionists smashing widows to gain entry to the capitol building in an attempt to disrupt the transfer of the presidency.

    [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    6 of the people involved in the planning of the Jan 6 insurrection have been proven guilty of seditious conspiracy, and are serving 12 to 22 year sentences.

    People argue about the word, but that's what I mean when I say the January 6 insurrection: The plan to use force to prevent, hinder and delay the execution of the laws of the United States governing the transfer of presidential power.

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      [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It's in front of the courts. Trump is trying to delay the proceedings. The public have an interest in knowing before the election, for this reason, but also in case it affects their vote.

      [–]no_u 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Which is when you use elections rather than insurrections.

      well-said

      [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Thanks!

      [–]monkeymagic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      there is no functioning democracy at stake so wtf are you talking about?

      [–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      If that's the case, then it doesn't matter who's on the ballot.

      [–]monkeymagic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      you’re 100 percent correct. it doesn’t

      [–]Zapped 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

      Defending democracy by taking away the choices without a conviction?

      [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      The court found that the accepted facts are sufficient proof of insurrection.

      [–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      I learned something today. I didn't realize the Amendment was written that way. It's odd how sometimes lawyers and lawmakers will interpret the Constitution with original intent or if it is a living, breathing document. I think that makes it a living, breathing document to them.

      [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      It's odd how sometimes lawyers and lawmakers will interpret the Constitution with original intent or if it is a living, breathing document.

      This is a difference of opinion. "Originalists" are sometimes motivated by the fact that that approach can allow discarding of hundreds of years of case law. So it's favored by federalist society judges. But not all originalists are right wing christofascists.

      [–]Zapped 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      I wasn't clear enough in what I typed out. Odd for certain lawmakers to want both interpretations, depending on what suits them.

      [–]ActuallyNot 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Federalist society judges are famous for that too.

      [–]no_u 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

      14th Amendment, section 3:

      No person shall ... hold any office, civil or military, under the United States ... who, having previously taken an oath ... as an officer of the United States, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

      Colorado's bipartisan (though very conservative) legislature hereby proving that they support the US and its constitution.

      [–]yellowsnow2 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      engaged in

      He gave a speech outside and told people to be peaceful. He has not been convicted nor charged with insurrection. That is just a word the media corporation used to strategically labet the protest for this very reason.

      The media corporations are not judge, jury, and executioners. Fascists may want a corporation to have that kind of power.

      They even changed the laws concerning White House security a week ahead of time because they planned this whole thing from the start and issued the media their talking points.