Hanlon's Razor is being tested here. Biden administration to raise Ethanol amounts in gasoline, will cause more refineries to close.

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[–]sampleusername 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

How does ethanol increase pollution? With gasoline and diesel, you have to burn a ton of diesel transporting the heavy crude from overseas, then refine it, and then burn more diesel to transport the finished product to the gas station. Ethanol can be produced anywhere and only needs to travel from the farm to the distillery to the pump, a much shorter distance.

If you want to talk about the environment, you need to consider all the energy it takes to get the fuel to the gas station in the first place. Focusing solely on tailpipe emissions is the same sort of bogus logic that is presented when EV proponents want to brag about how green they are, completely glossing over all the energy spent in mining and building the cars.

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How does ethanol increase pollution?

It's because of the reduced efficiency.

Think of it like this, you need X energy to do W(hatever Bullshit). You add C(rap) to your F(uel) and then you're wasting F(uckall) to do W that you originally only needed X for.

[–]sampleusername 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Reduced efficiency compared to what? High octane means faster acceleration and less time in high RPMs, and more time spent in cruising or idle RPMs. And, more importantly, why would that matter if the gas prices fall in response to blending more ethanol? The problem we are aiming to solve is making the energy cost lower, so how does it make sense to keep shipping in heavy crude from overseas at a time when we cannot produce it domestically? Gasoline and diesel are non renewable resources, but ethanol literally grows out of the ground. Arguments around energy density might make sense if gasoline were available in excess, but that is no longer the case.

How do you propose we solve the problem of high fuel costs when the primary source of heavy crude is Saudi or Russian? Are you going to pay to renovate the refineries, or would it be more prudent to just ferment a bunch of corn that grows naturally across the Midwest anyway? Chances are that the White House has already weighed the options, and chosen the most economically feasible option. Presuming that you know better than the Biden administration is quite the leap of faith, given that they have all of the information, and you have only your personal anecdotes and hearsay from social media.

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Looks like it's the land use aspect and not the fuel efficiency as I had thought.

How do you propose we solve the problem of high fuel costs when the primary source of heavy crude is Saudi or Russian?

That one is really easy, we have the domestic production capacity to drive that down if we wanted to.

Gasoline and diesel are non renewable resources

Sure, but we have at least a hundred years of proven reserves left. There's a ton of oil in the ground that's just not profitable to get currently also. They won't run out in my lifetime.