Russia claims Ukraine behind fatal missile attack

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[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

their stocks for the old one shows that they don't use that one

You're reiterating a moot point. Saying it multiple times doesn't make it true.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

What's the "evidence" for your side? The legacy "media" propaganda machine? Whatever they say, it's probably false. Zelenskiy? The stand-up comic? Really?

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Common sense. Russia has been the manufacturer of these weapons, they likely still have them.

[–]AXXA[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Tochka-U missiles were not made by Russia. They were made by the Soviet Union.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Soviet Union = Russia + a bunch of other soviet republics. Where are you going with this?

[–]AXXA[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Tochka-U missiles have not been manufactured for the many decades since the end of the Soviet Union.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So? As I pointed out elsewhere, ex-communist countries have depots full of soviet equipment, and some of it is still in use because it costs a lot to upgrade everything. Russia likely has lots of these missiles sitting somewhere as well.

[–]AXXA[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Russia has repeatedly stated that they no longer operate Tochka-U missiles. There is zero evidence to the contrary. All evidence points to the Tochka-U missiles having been fired by Ukraine.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Russia also said they wouldn't attack Ukraine and that the military buildup on their border was just a military exercise.

[–]AXXA[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I found a source for you. It looks like Russia's plans changed after Ukraine provoked them.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-denies-ukraine-invasion-plans-amid-concerns-over-troop-buildup-2021-11

[–]Inuma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

You ignoring the stocks by your pedantry merely exposes how little you know of the issue of what they're using along with what Ukraine has in abundance.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

You ignoring the stocks

I'm really surprised that on this site where every second person is a conspiracy theorist someone seriously insists that if something is not on some official list, it doesn't exist.

[–]Inuma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

I'm not surprised that a person ignorant of how military stocks work wants to insist on a false claim they can't back up.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

ignorant of how military stocks work

Please explain. Why exactly can't Russia still have their old equipment?

[–]Inuma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Because it would have to be retrofitted as explained along with the serial numbers linking to a unit.

As explained.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Sorry but the tweet is just a statement and explains nothing.

How would it have to be retrofitted exactly? My guess is they have everything they need - the missiles and launchers. Wikipedia even suggests there was a military parade in Russia in 2009 where they had these missiles including the launchers on display. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTR-21_Tochka

How is the serial number relevant? You know you can paint any serial number you want if you were to do a false flag attack, right?

[–]Inuma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

So instead, you ignored who shot the missile.

[–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

How do we know who did it?

Western media say it was Russia.

Now Russia says the whole thing was staged, they don't even bother with the serial number anymore. https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1595265/Putin-Lukashenko-Bucha-Russia-Ukraine-Belarus-FSB-ont

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[–]Inuma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You just ignored the fact that the same seriel numbers for the same unit in Ukraine was firing in other areas.