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[–]Tom_Bombadil 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (31 children)

a Tylenol headache. But do be careful with Tylenol (acetaminophen) as it is one of the most dangerous of OTC meds but is usually not labelled as such.

This is true.

IIRC: The toxicity occurs in the liver when both acetaminophen and alcohol are being metabolized at the same time.

There's a byproduct that wrecks yer shit.

https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh23-1/40-54.pdf. (Page 7/15. Top left of the table.)

Tylenol is not a solution for a hangover.

The actual solution is to get up and make a fresh cocktail.

Like a boss.

[–]hennaojichan 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (25 children)

I will drink to that. As Hunter Thompson said, "I hate to recommend drugs, alcohol, and violence but they have always worked for me." For me alcohol is the operant word there unless you have 30 mg of pure codeine—with no acetaminophen— lying around. As I told my doc, codeine isn't addictive, I've been using it for years but he wasn't buying it.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

There's always cold water extraction. And I don't recommend that as a way to get high, but I know personally acetaminophen just doesn't work on me for whatever reason and there's no reason to poison your liver for something that ain't helping.

I wish I lived in a country where codeine and muscle relaxers were otc, that would be so useful.

[–]hennaojichan 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

Move to Cambodia but right now Rona is making it very hard to get in. You have a bad back too? For me it's the L6 and it makes walking over a mile torture.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (22 children)

I thought tylenol 3 was otc in Mexico and Canada. Pretty much everywhere except the US, GB bans everything ofc, and Aussies just banned it cause their politicians are a bunch of cunts.

I have a bad knee and either arthritis or fibro, docs don't agree. The pain is almost totally dependent on the weather, but unfortunately we've had several years now of some pretty fucked up weather.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

T3 requires prescriptions in Ontario Canada, likely the whole nation.

My recommendation: black market ketamine. It's also good for anti-depression unlike Big Pharma poisons. Black market is as good as prescription and faaaaaaaar cheaper.

cc /u/hennaojichan

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

My recommendation: black market ketamine.

Combine this with some free market E and you have a recipe for experiencing tiiiime slooooow doooown...

30 mins feels like 8 hours. Crazy.

If the ride is a bit too much for your mind, then don't let anyone pick you up off of the ground or from kneeling, or whatever).

A k-hole is a crazy thing to witness.
Lights out.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-k-hole-21861

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, make sure you have the right set and setting for drug use - from your first time to your last.

Set = mind set

Don't do drugs after a breakup, under stress, during a riot, etc. Be calm, fun and friendly, among friends, etc.

Setting = location

Don't do drugs in a police station, walking on a freeway, on a battlefield, etc. A jail or emergency room is not a friendly or relaxing environment.

Furthermore, being in a comfy room with pillows is nice, but being by a pool or with open flame candles may not be wise. Also, don't leave projects lying around or you may be tempted to work on them (and fuck it up).

Put on music you like (ie. Shpongle) and maybe a video kaleidoscope, but don't put on anything that requires too much concentration or ugly stuff like the news. In my opinion, if going for the K-hole, you're better off laying back and watching the insides of you eyelids.

A K-hole is a crazy thing to experience. However, the most extreme moments of my life that I recall (I don't remember being born, and I hope I don't know when I'm dying) were on DMT when I had an ego death and melted into the universe ceasing to be male or even human - just experiencing isness.

[–]hennaojichan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

Yes, I have bought Codeine without Tylenol in Mexico and have heard it is available in Canada but with Tylenol. In Mexico doctors run their own pharmacies often so in effect you're getting a prescription. A Canadian friend gave me a lot of the ones available in that country but the Codeine content was quite low and the acetaminophen so high it made the pills fairly useless. I didn't bother with the cold water extration because the yield on what he gave me would have been too small to bother with. For my back I went to a so-called pain clinic in this country and he gave me an injection directly into my spine that has made quite a difference. Maybe there is a similar shot where you are. It is not a narcotic. I asked the doc if he would give me a script for 30 mg a day of codeine but every other month so I wouldn't get habituated but he refused. Things are tougher all over now except the country I mentioned before. By the way, nothing I've mentioned is illegal but just the way it is.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

I had just recently purchased benzocaine powder as a topical analgesic. Unfortunately that shit has some nasty side effects at high doses. Caused bruising up and down my leg. It does something to the red blood cells, makes em extra sludgy or something. Still, seems useful to have around.

And I was given curcumin recently. There's no good scientific evidence for it but some people swear by it and it was free after all.

The more effective things I use are kratom and alcohol. Weed helps keep me calm but I really don't want to be a chronic daily smoker ever again. I get dependent and it's either keep doing it or feel awful. All those things are like that really.

That's why ketamine interests me. You only dose every few months. Expensive treatments though.

Or just get the damned knee fixed but that's been a pain in the ass. For reason, the surgeries don't always make things better, and sometimes they make them worse.

I can't help but thing if I could get in there myself with an arthroscopic device I'd be able to pinpoint what's wrong more effectively. I can feel it after all, a surgeon wouldn't have any biofeedback. For that same reason I believe in cleaning out your own ear wax if necessary, you can feel if you're about to burst your ear drum.

Makes sense, just there are probably laws against that sort of thing.

[–]hennaojichan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (15 children)

I'd like to try Kratom but it is also illegal in this country and the suppliers will not ship here. All the worry about addiction is ridiculous since even a person habituated to the most powerful pain killer known (and I do not mean codeine) will be up and moving around by the third or fourth day off it, a bit shakily probably.

I did not know that ketamine had such a lasting effect. It will be interesting to watch Oregon and see what effect, if any, legalization will have. I am betting that hard drug use will not increase since whatever you might want was available on the streets of Portland before legalization.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

There's a relative with about the same effects, Mitragyna Hirsuta. Not sure if that'd be legal for you. Good luck proving it's not kratom if you get caught with it though.

I am betting that hard drug use will not increase since whatever you want was available on the streets of Portland.

I don't know about that, there's got to be a % of people who'd buy drugs if they could find them or if they were legal who don't otherwise. I'd probably smoke a lot more weed if it were easier to get.

[–]hennaojichan 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

We'll be getting reports from Oregon soon. If we can believe the reports, drug use in US high schools has been going down in recent years anyway. My prediction is based on the fact that the market is pretty much saturated, in the US anyway, and if you want it—whatever—it's out there and easy to get, especially in high schools. We will see. Ask your doc if a blocking shot is an option in your case. The shot does not go all the way into the middle of the spine where the cerebro-spinal fluid is because that is a somewhat dangerous injection. The expectation of pain is much worse than the actual pain of the needle going in and one shot lasts for two to three years. It still hurts if I walk a long way but I can ride my bicycle with no pain at all.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I knew guys who would buy up as much of a substance as they could right before laws were passed to make it illegal. In this way they'd have a lifetime supply and could share or deal as they saw fit.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'd like to try Kratom too. Just to see. Doubt I could do more if I wanted to due to budget.

Ketamine is known as the Wall Street lunch hour vacation because they do so much high energy cocaine they can take 45 minutes to an hour to chill the fuck down and be back operational without skipping a beat. To the K-hole and back. The long-term effects are only regarding your moods. That doesn't make you impervious to bad things in your life, but if you're bipolar or chronic depressive it can certainly help.

Big Pharma has no patent nor profit from it. It's safer than other anesthetics but not profitable, so they risk lives for their alternatives.

Obsessive use of ketamine will develop health problems. For some reason chronic use in only men will eat up your bladder. It will scar your bladder until all you can do is piss a teaspoon at a time, all the time, all day long. It's a problem and then you die. Those people have deeper addiction issues and/or a chemical trigger and are still willing to do that.

Ket from Mexico and Canada is usually A+.

[–]hennaojichan 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's on my list but so far I've been in the right place at the wrong time.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, just as I was saying. Ketamine can develop a habit in some but it's not a physical thing that can kill you if you quit like booze or opiates. For anti-depression you only need a bit once every 2 weeks. Some people (1 in 10 ish) are ULTRA sensitive and go straight to the K-hole for an unpleasant time on the lightest amount.

If you seek pain relief be careful. It's effective, makes you stupid for the first 15 minutes, and then you're good for some time. But if your body is in pain it's telling you something. If it's in chronic non-stop pain then it's relief. Be careful of a dependency and plan for the future (ie. don't let your supply get cut because then your life will be cut, aka lockdown, until you line up another source or few).

K is not like alcohol, as it doesn't make you stupid in the same way. It does slow you down at times. There's certainly about 50 shades of K, unlike the 8 to 16 bit general grey-scale of booze. Among those shades you can be blasted with crystal clarity - but Ketamine is a mistress of mystery, and even if you monitor your blood sugar, you never know what kind of trip you'll have, or how it will evolve. So self-operations are not recommended.

Pro tip: if you need so sober up someone on ketamine: give them sugar, preferably in liquid form, like you would a diabetic. Maple syrup, honey, soda, etc.

Second hand story: Bunch of folks at a hot tub party. A guy takes a chug from a bottle of water. Turns out it's pure ketamine. No one has ever done so much. They fed him maple syrup. He was fine.

Inject = 90%+ effective. Dry and snort = 80% effective. Swallow = 60% effective. I only ever snorted.

Ketamine is used on babies and the elderly because it's so safe (also vets who deal with a wide variety of animals of which they are not specific experts on). It does not suppress breathing or heart so overdosing is not really possible though walking into traffic or a pool or a plastic bag or something stupid is.

Medical grade nitrous oxide, aka dentists' laughing gas (not to be confused with racing car nitrous oxide mixed with a poison) and 5meo DMT don't have hangovers like other drugs. They aren't really useful for pain relief but those 3 are my faves, and just happen to be mostly safe and fun.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

Hangovers are often just dehydration.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

My hangovers are from getting WRECKED.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. The cure: as much water as you can drink, and a little more, and then wait an hour or few.

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Hangovers go away if you drink enough. The body adapts. Although then you withdraw from alcohol if you stop drinking, and that's like a mega hangover with a chance of death.

[–]JasonCarswell[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Good times.