New term I really like: "Leftwaffe". Please start using it in your memes and everywhere else.

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[–]Chipit[S] 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (11 children)

It's not waffling. It's pointing out, in a clever way, that the Left long ago abandoned liberalism and is now acting fascist.

There are two kinds of fascists: fascists and anti-fascists.

[–]AFutureConcern 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

It is true that many on the left have abandoned liberalism, and normie conservatives tend to be a lot more liberal. But it's absolutely wrong to compare them to fascists. It looks like you're using "fascist" as a word for "illiberal and bad" - fascism is a political ideology focused around viewing the nation (as a people bound by blood & soil) as a single body that should act collectively in its own interest, honoring the strong and powerful. It's fundamentally different to the leftist worldview of anti-fascists who deny that nationhood is important, claim that groups acting in their own self-interest are "racist" (and therefore bad), and who honor the weak and powerless (blacks, women, immigrants, LGBT etc.).

The only similarity is opposition to liberalism and therefore suppression of dissent in a country run by either group would not be opposed on liberal grounds. Even so, I don't think most on the far-right today would censor speech nearly as much as leftists are currently doing. In fact I'm not sure any censorship regime in history is as extreme as what's happening right now.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

The word "fascist" today more often indicates the presence of a radical leftist nut (or slimy left-wing propagandist) than it does actual fascists. Fascist and nazi in 2020 basically means "authority, laws and rules I personally don't agree with". Their complex original manifestations and features don't inform how they are applied today at all. The people who call everyone fascists literally support like 90% of the original fascist manifesto.

Tell me, which of these statements do you agree with:

The formation of a National Council of Experts for Labor, for Industry, for Transportation, for Public Health, for Communications, etc. Selections to be made from the collective professional or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers.

A (living) minimum wage;

The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;

To show the same confidence in the labor unions as is given to industry executives or public servants;

A necessary modification of the insurance laws to invalidate the minimum retirement age; we proposed to lower it from 65 to 55 years of age;

The nationalization of all military manufacturing;

A strong progressive tax on capital that will truly expropriate a portion of all wealth;

The seizure of the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of the bishoprics, which are an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor; and

The review of all military contracts and seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.

Sounds a bit like the current policies of which party today?

These are edited sections of the Fascist Manifesto of Benito Mussolini.

Who are the fascists?

[–]Captzapheart 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

My grandfather was a prominate European fascist and served with Mussolini... He left our family broke and hungry, I know first hand that's where this delusion lead.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What happened?

[–]Captzapheart 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Most wealth and land was appropriated with the fall of the fascists, famine forced the family to migrate, we learned to work with our former enemies, enemies became family and friends, I maybe wrong but I think this is a common post war European story.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Most wealth and land was appropriated with the fall of the fascists

the non-fascist government took it from the people who'd served in the fascist regime?

[–]Captzapheart 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

probably, who took it from feudal lords, who took it from peasantry, etc...etc.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So you're saying socialism doesn't work? Yeah no kidding. Here's where Mussolini came from: http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm

[–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Interesting, this is the story I'm familiar with https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/13/benito-mussolini-recruited-mi5-italy If you are saying extreme left or extreme right are problematic then we are in agreement.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So MI5 paid an agent to help keep Italy from quitting the war? What's that supposed to mean? Mussolini's fascism grew directly out of socialism. And the problem with different kinds of socialism is that they can't all be correct. They have vicious infighting about who's the One True Socialism. Why do you think Germany and the USSR had such a vicious war? International socialism vs. national socialism. They couldn't both be right!

[–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Grew out of socialism warped into some thing weird....something hateful if history is to be believed. You could be right about competing forms of socialism but the facts surgests that fascism abandons the search for solutions and only seeks to fix blame is its main failing. eventually you run out of villains, it would seem.