New term I really like: "Leftwaffe". Please start using it in your memes and everywhere else.

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[–]Questionable 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (34 children)

Waffling is waffling, to add 'left' to the word, only skews it to make it appear as though only liberals waffle on an issue. In conclusion, it's best to call someone a waffle if they are wavering on their core ideals, without denoting their affiliation.

Edit: In addition, if your intention is to confuse leftwaffle with Luftwaffle, Lets just fucking not shall we. The English dialect is debased enough already without adding additional layers to this madness. Aspire to be civilized shall we?

[–]Chipit[S] 9 insightful - 5 fun9 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 5 fun -  (32 children)

It's not waffling. It's pointing out, in a clever way, that the Left long ago abandoned liberalism and is now acting fascist.

There are two kinds of fascists: fascists and anti-fascists.

[–]AFutureConcern 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

It is true that many on the left have abandoned liberalism, and normie conservatives tend to be a lot more liberal. But it's absolutely wrong to compare them to fascists. It looks like you're using "fascist" as a word for "illiberal and bad" - fascism is a political ideology focused around viewing the nation (as a people bound by blood & soil) as a single body that should act collectively in its own interest, honoring the strong and powerful. It's fundamentally different to the leftist worldview of anti-fascists who deny that nationhood is important, claim that groups acting in their own self-interest are "racist" (and therefore bad), and who honor the weak and powerless (blacks, women, immigrants, LGBT etc.).

The only similarity is opposition to liberalism and therefore suppression of dissent in a country run by either group would not be opposed on liberal grounds. Even so, I don't think most on the far-right today would censor speech nearly as much as leftists are currently doing. In fact I'm not sure any censorship regime in history is as extreme as what's happening right now.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

You are correct, the left is acting communist, which is surely because at this point many are openly marxist. National Socialism and Fascism have historically had policies on speech and expression that don't allow complete freedom. However, both were very "liberal" in these areas compared to communists. Just don't try to push porn, marxism, degeneracy, attacks on the family, or state - and you'd be alright. The books the 3rd Reich burned were communist propaganda, really sketchy porn, and transgenderism / gay stuff.

Of course, this was/is a terrible thing in the eyes of the left. http://archive.vn/lTI6G

[–]aThievingStableboy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I am in favor of the natural order, and consider myself a student of human nature; philosophies that are concordant with that appeal to my sensibilities. National Socialism is naturalism codified into an overarching philosophy of life.

[–]aThievingStableboy 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

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[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Yes, I literally do - I will.

[–]aThievingStableboy 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

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[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

But, as an ethnic Jew myself I'm curious, do you support the eradication of my people?

Depends on how frustrated I am at the moment. I jest, sort of. I have problems with a few dozen elite jewish families and institutions that have been running the table for a long time. My main issue with normal jews is their instinctual and reflexive defense of this destructive elite. You have been conditioned to jump to the defense of bad actors within your ethnic group. If we could somehow break those thousands of years of conditioning things would work out fine. Tall order though.

Do I have anything personally against you or wish ill on ya? Nah.

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I criticize Jews and Israel but would never never ask for theeradication of any people of any race or religion. However, many top Jews aligned with the Likud, particularly the neocons should be tried for treason and/or thrown in jail for their involvement in the Iraq war and 9/11 which was NOT done by arabs.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

The word "fascist" today more often indicates the presence of a radical leftist nut (or slimy left-wing propagandist) than it does actual fascists. Fascist and nazi in 2020 basically means "authority, laws and rules I personally don't agree with". Their complex original manifestations and features don't inform how they are applied today at all. The people who call everyone fascists literally support like 90% of the original fascist manifesto.

Tell me, which of these statements do you agree with:

The formation of a National Council of Experts for Labor, for Industry, for Transportation, for Public Health, for Communications, etc. Selections to be made from the collective professional or of tradesmen with legislative powers, and elected directly to a General Commission with ministerial powers.

A (living) minimum wage;

The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of industry commissions;

To show the same confidence in the labor unions as is given to industry executives or public servants;

A necessary modification of the insurance laws to invalidate the minimum retirement age; we proposed to lower it from 65 to 55 years of age;

The nationalization of all military manufacturing;

A strong progressive tax on capital that will truly expropriate a portion of all wealth;

The seizure of the possessions of the religious congregations and the abolition of the bishoprics, which are an enormous liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor; and

The review of all military contracts and seizure of 85 percent of the profits therein.

Sounds a bit like the current policies of which party today?

These are edited sections of the Fascist Manifesto of Benito Mussolini.

Who are the fascists?

[–]AFutureConcern 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some policy proposals of leftists and fascists are superficially similar, but the philosophy behind them is radically different. Fascists are driven by a love of their own people and nation; leftists are driven by a hatred of it. Fascists want to preserve culture and tradition; leftists want to destroy it. A fascist could be convinced that more right-wing economics would be good for his nation; a leftist views economics as fundamental to his worldview and so would only accept right-wing economics by renouncing leftism. A fascist accepts that a meritocratic system will lead to natural inequality; a leftist views inequality as unnatural and unjust.

The similarities look closer from a libertarian frame because both philosophies oppose libertarianism. But this is true of many philosophies opposed to libertarianism; all kinds of centrism, classical liberalism, neoliberalism all support things like minimum wages and progressive income taxes to varying degrees.

I don't think that the definition as "authority, laws and rules I personally don't agree with" is a particularly useful one, but I'll concede that many people do use the term in this way.

[–]Captzapheart 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

My grandfather was a prominate European fascist and served with Mussolini... He left our family broke and hungry, I know first hand that's where this delusion lead.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What happened?

[–]Captzapheart 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Most wealth and land was appropriated with the fall of the fascists, famine forced the family to migrate, we learned to work with our former enemies, enemies became family and friends, I maybe wrong but I think this is a common post war European story.

[–]yellow_algebra_31 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Most wealth and land was appropriated with the fall of the fascists

the non-fascist government took it from the people who'd served in the fascist regime?

[–]Captzapheart 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

probably, who took it from feudal lords, who took it from peasantry, etc...etc.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So you're saying socialism doesn't work? Yeah no kidding. Here's where Mussolini came from: http://www.la-articles.org.uk/fascism.htm

[–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Interesting, this is the story I'm familiar with https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/13/benito-mussolini-recruited-mi5-italy If you are saying extreme left or extreme right are problematic then we are in agreement.

[–]Chipit[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So MI5 paid an agent to help keep Italy from quitting the war? What's that supposed to mean? Mussolini's fascism grew directly out of socialism. And the problem with different kinds of socialism is that they can't all be correct. They have vicious infighting about who's the One True Socialism. Why do you think Germany and the USSR had such a vicious war? International socialism vs. national socialism. They couldn't both be right!

[–]Captzapheart 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Grew out of socialism warped into some thing weird....something hateful if history is to be believed. You could be right about competing forms of socialism but the facts surgests that fascism abandons the search for solutions and only seeks to fix blame is its main failing. eventually you run out of villains, it would seem.

[–]Questionable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"the Left long ago abandoned liberalism and is now acting fascist. "

Wow, you were actually capable of typing that out. Now just keep doing that for another sixty or seventy years, and your words will continue to have meaning.

[–]Chipit[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How do you tell the difference between liberals and leftists? Easy. Liberals believe in freedom of speech. They might disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it.

How many leftists today believe in freedom of speech? If you need to delete, censor, and ban all counter arguments to your narrative, maybe you're wrong. If you need to take away freedom of speech to be successful, you're not a liberal. You're an authoritarian.

"The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it." ― George Orwell

[–]Questionable 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Congratulations! Now just another sixty nine years, three hundred and sixty four more days to go!

[–]Sebine 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There are two kinds of fascists: fascists and anti-fascists.

There are two kinds of fascists: antifa and anti-fascists.*

[–]RuckFeddit 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

+1 for not ruining the reputations of the brave men who fought in WW2 by mixing them up in today's cancer

[–]magnora7 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

How about no

[–]Chipit[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

How about yes? Let's see how they like being unjustly compared to Nazis.

[–]magnora7 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I think we should use real words, instead of slinging slurs like children which only escalates the situation. But perhaps escalating the situation is your intent? I prefer peace.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Chipshit is shilling again. :-/

Tim Martin come to mind.

[–]ManWithABanana 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for putting your finger on why this was bothering me.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

This is poor propaganda, and is just about an inversion of truth. Let's come up with something more accurate given they are marxists.

How about Soysheviks?

Too sexist for them, it has she in it.

Soyxirviks?

Yeah, maybe - doesn't quite roll off the tongue though.

[–]Gunk 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Soycialists or Commiefa.

[–]Captzapheart 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

What happens to the pyramid of debate?

[–]imotep 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When they call us fascist bigots for having differing opinions the time for debate has passed.

[–]spezz 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

That's an insult to the luftwaffe just call them faggots like we already do

[–]whereswhat 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://youtu.be/RDXTJa6TrKE