The western propagada campaign in regards to the Ukraine war is insane

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It's like we're watching two different wars. There's the ghost of Kiev, the snake island spartans, the Il-78s full of 100s of paratroopers being shot down, Russia losing 20 aircraft and 700 APCs...its insane.

The entire western media apparatus is essentially serving as the propaganda wing of the Ukrainian army.

Sure to form, our friendly neighborhood shill radicalcentrist is also peddling bs about huge Russian losses.

The objective reality is that the Russian offensive thus far has proceeded at a lightning pace and has been an incredible success.

https://twitter.com/bazaarofwar/status/1497408494995218432

Here is a comparison between the US invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022.

Ukraine is 1.4 times bigger than Iraq, has a 98 IQ population in contrast to Iraq's 83 IQ, and a much stronger army trained and armed by the US. The Russians also did not launch a three-week air campaign to soften up Ukraine as the US did in Iraq.

And the Russians achieved all this with many handicaps. At first only a third of Russian forces were used, which has today been upped to 50%. The Russians also haven't fought in their usual style with massive artillery and indiscriminate airstrikes.

The Russians have taken great pains to limit Ukrainian civilian and even military casualties so as to not alienate the population. I think they sincerely believed a lot of Ukrainian units would surrender within days. They want to annex the land so they don't want to destroy the country and alienate the population.

Contrast this to the brutal American campaign in Iraq where they flattened entire cities without mercy.

Plus, in 2003, Iraq had been languishing from a decade of sanctions and isolation. It received help from no one. In contrast, Ukraine receives money and arms from the west and most critically intelligence from US satellite, ISR, and ELINT assets.

Plus, the Russians have so far abstained from using their most modern tech and most of their air power. They've sent Eastern military districts armed with old equipment to do the first fighting. They've let the old soviet equipment waste away while preserving units with newly armed gear.

That's why we've seen so few T-72B3 or T-90M.

The Ukrainian claims are so outrageous. They have not managed to produce one, I mean ONE image of a Russian aircraft they downed. The Russians have shown over a dozen pictures of Ukrainian aircraft they destroyed.

Ukraine has only managed to produce the image of one Russian helicopter they've downed.

The Russians have tried to limit casualties on a brother nation and have taken losses in the process. Unfortunately, they seem to be taking off the kid gloves today. Kherson witnessed a massive MLRS barrage a few hours ago.

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1498019451199008777

For those curious, this is the current state of the front line:

https://twitter.com/miladvisor/status/1498040991726686216

Does this look like a country that's owning the Russians? They've lost a sixth of their land in just four days of fighting.

Most people don't understand this but military movements are very slow. The German offensive through 1940 France is considered a lightning campaign. Well, the average speed of German advance was 10 km per day.

The Russians in contrast have advanced over 160 km in 4 days.

The US and its golem is only winning the propaganda war. The real war is being won by the Russians.

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[–]NeoRail 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (28 children)

It's like we're watching two different wars. There's the ghost of Kiev, the snake island spartans, the Il-78s full of 100s of paratroopers being shot down, Russia losing 20 aircraft and 700 APCs...its insane.

In my opinion, the biggest contrast can be seen in how Western media pitch this as some sort of Soviet Union-style people's war in which the whole nation is rising up to fight the invaders, whereas Russian sources claim that the arming of civilians has resulted in pure chaos, looting, murder and even friendly fire between the army and the citizens due to the lack of training and coordination. These are two radically contradictory accounts. It's obvious that there is some form of extensive, deliberate disinformation.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (26 children)

The Russian narrative is the true one. Ukrainians are fighting and looting each other in Kiev. The regime handed out 25,000 AKs and 10 million rounds of ammo to random civilians. They even armed criminals in exchange for pardons. Small wonder there's mayhem in the city.

[–]shilldetector 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

It doesnt matter what the truth is, what matters is what you can make people believe. Ethnocentric Jews effectively control nearly all mass communications in the west. They control the media, online forums like reddit, youtube, the primary search engine 95% of people rely on, the payment processors, newspapers, the cable news stations, news websites, the servers, opinion websites, all forms of social media, Hollywood, elite academia, they even greatly influence k-12 education.

This effectively serves as a form of mass mind control. He who controls all this controls everything, controls everyone. They can mobilize riots, start wars, silence, ridicule, imprison, and assasinate just about anyone if they put their minds to it, and we know this group does exactly that, and they have their own untouchable nuclear powered ethnostate along with spies and semi hidden loyalists through western governments and positions of power.

You people constantly try to forget this, or dont realize it, or dont understand how powerful this is.

[–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

The Russian invasion aside, I feel like having 25 000 anonymous men armed with military hardware is a very serious problem, and I am not sure how the Ukrainian government plans to deal with that. It seems to me like an extremely short-sighted measure.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

They'll just blame all the chaos on Russia. Don't forget the current ZOG regime in Ukraine doesn't give a shit about the country or its people.

[–]NeoRail 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

It is honestly a bit surprising to me how apparently genuine Ukrainian nationalists like the Klitschkos can go along with this. There are a lot of genuine people involved in the Ukrainian regime, but for some reason they don't seem to realise or care that this is not a war that can be won, and that protracting and radicalising it can only make things worse.

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They are punch drunk jocks, you really expect them to understand these kind of machiavellian shenanigans? Even if they did understand it they still are kind of forced into doing this for pride and honor, which the Jews manipulating them are all to happy to use for their own ends by goading them and other Ukrainians into suicidal acts.

Zelensky on the other hand isnt in any real danger, and he knows this, despite all his drama queen theatrics about being Moscows number 1 target. Putin likely has no interest in killing him, quite the opposite, and if Ukraine falls he will either be rushed away to do a western media tour, or the worst case scenario will spend a little time in captivity to increase his street cred before being released.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

protracting and radicalising it can only make things worse

Draining American and Russian ZOG simultaneously sounds like a good time to me

[–]NeoRail 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think the material cost would be too great to either America or Russia, but a protracted conflict could cost quite a lot of Ukrainian lives, and I would rather that not happen. It would be meaningless and wasteful.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

How is Russia a part of ZOG?

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Until recently they were privileged members of international institutions, accepted most tenets of post-ww2 ideology, allied strongly with Israel, criminalizes nationalism and holohoax facts, etc. However as Russia doesn't give open access of their media and political process to outside actors they're beginning to be considered unwelcome in the current world order. ZOG would consider Russia and China vestigial organs that should be excised lest they become infected by other ideologies than neoliberalism.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Russia is the biggest reason why Assad is still in power. ZOG wanted him gone.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes but that doesn't absolve them of their role in ZOG narratives historically, it does show that they're starting to play that role of an infected limb that harms the main body of ZOG.

[–]NeoRail 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

accepted most tenets of post-ww2 ideology

They still do, Putin seems to have a weird obsession with World War 2. His new military cathedral was even built with symbolic achitectural dimensions to include the number 1945. It's very strange.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I mean America still builds Holocaust memorials on every street so it's not like he's the only weird one really. I suppose he sees the founding myth of the modern Russian state to be their "Great Patriotic War" rather than the Bolshevik Revolutions.

[–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Hopefully the weapons trickle down through the West and reduce stability

[–]shilldetector 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The neocons are hoping for a mass insurgency when/as Ukraine falls. That was the point of this. They could care less about Ukrainian lives obviously, and figure the more dead white people the better so long as Putin can be blamed. Jews seem to have been largely evacuated to Israel before and immediately as all this kicked off, and those are the only lives they care about.

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Zelensky is Bane confirmed.

[–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

No, Putin if bane, zelenskey is Batman. Didn't you read the comics?

[–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

https://preview.redd.it/ww5rpvqjvsj81.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=f3cb41c6ddbb4dbbe16c018e6a3771c707c8d083

[–]NeoRail 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

/u/Markimus

Turns out you are pro-Ukraine after all.

[–]MarkimusNational Socialist 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

lol. fr though they have prolly armed bad people on purpose, every policy of Zelensky's has been along the line of Ukrainian Death Maximalism.

Arming citizens to commit suicide for jewish entertainment was the only slice I considered, but it's obvious now that they intended this criminality and terrorism too, since they specifically armed known criminals.

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    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 3 insightful - 4 fun3 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

    1) Yes, I've already seen dozens of photos of crisis actors in the vein of white helmet stuff. You see the same guy is a Ukrainian hero that killed 50 gorillion Russians with his hands while dodging bullets like the Matrix, then he's a dead Ukrainian that got sodomised by Russian bayonets in the next picture, and in the next one he's a Russian genetically altered magical supersoldier that can fly and do shouts from Skyrim, but he's been captured by random Ukrainian civilians who overwhelmed his superpowers by being the Good Guys(TM). It's ridiculous.

    2) Azov are just the same as ISIS/Al Qaeda. The crisis actor teams there are probably trained by the same people who trained the White Helmets who are tied to Al Qaeda.

    3) Not many people could even write fictionalised evil that is as bad as jews are in real life, the level of depravity these people are on in the real world is literally unimaginable to the majority of people.

    [–]ifuckredditsnitches_Resident Pajeet 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    The regime handed out 25,000 AKs and 10 million rounds of ammo to random civilians.

    God, I've seen what you've done for the Ukrainians and I want that for me

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Nun, Volk steh auf und Sturm brich los!

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    the snake island spartans

    😂

    The entire western media apparatus is essentially serving as the propaganda wing of the Ukrainian army.

    Why wouldn't they? Ukraine is their client state. It's not insane at all. Propaganda is what the West is best at.

    Anyway, another tremendous post on the situation. I think I can speak for most users here when I say your posts are highly appreciated.

    [–]Blackbrownfreestuff 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Member when Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Dick Cheney, and (((Paul Wolfowitz))) made up WMDs as an excuse to invade and occupy Iraq because Israel? I member.

    [–]shilldetector 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    This was totally predictable. I knew full well this would happen and didnt in any way share your enthusiasm for this Russian invasion and saw it as a trap. The Neocons knew what they were doing. They have been going after Putin hard for over 10 years now, pivoting from Iraq and their slow but steady destruction of all of Israel's enemies in the middle east.

    They were frustrated by their failure to meaningfully harm Putin, so they basically forced his hand in the Ukraine. The Germans were reluctant to go along with it but eventually they Neocohens got Putin to take measures that would get the Germans on their side, and ensured he would invade Ukraine. From there the plan is to get Russians and Ukrainians to kill each other while the world blames Russia. Neocon Jews must be ecstatic over the prospect of white people killing each other for their own ends. Putin will most likely eventually take Ukraine, or at least get major concessions.. The Neocons are hoping he is fatally weakened and they can use their media propanda to turn the world against Russia and get rid of him, but he will most likely survive but be weakened.

    This will also distract from Biden and his Jewish cabinets many failures and turn towards dystopian authoritarianism and probably be used to further attack critics and silence dissent. Ultimately I doubt any of this will change much of the trajectory the world is on. The US is still living on borrowed time and it's pretty much mortally wounded, controlled by incompetent parasites who care only about one thing, what is good for the tribe, but this will help keep the military industrial complex rolling along for a time.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I completely disagree. The liberal international order is far more weakened because of this than Putin is.

    [–]yetanotherone_sigh 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

    I would like to hear an alt-right opinion...

    What is a legitimate, real reason that Russia can invade a sovereign nation whenever they feel like it?

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

    Imagine this exact same scenario but swapped. All of South America is part of a Russian version of NATO, Canada is too. There are Russian soldiers and bases completely surrounding the US. The Russians stage a colour revolution in Mexico overthrowing their true leaders to install Russian puppets, then Russia begins operating secretly within Mexico. Russia plans to formalise their partnership and presence in Mexico by having them join the Russian-NATO and build a nuke there that is capable of reaching Washington DC in an amount of time that makes it impossible to defend for the US.

    Would the US be evil imperialists for invading Mexico and demilitarising them? If your answer to this is no, then there you go. If it is yes then you are obviously incredibly stupid and shouldn't concern yourself with any serious matters.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Westerners have no conception of history or geopolitics. They are in a permanent Disney brained present.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Scroll down and look at socks' comment lmao.

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Saw it. All the shills have been activated

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This. 100%.

    [–]yetanotherone_sigh 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Interesting, and thank you for the response. It's noteworthy that Putin intends to replace the government with a puppet of his own.

    This is an echo of Hitler's "Breathing Room" (Lebensraum) speech in 1939.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    As they should, obviously the Zionist government can't be trusted to not cause insanity.

    [–]On-Point 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    NATO doesn't surround russia. Consult a map of the world after you're done servicing russian troops.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    The entire of Russia on the east is covered by NATO countries, to their west is Alaska (the US), there's US military bases in Central and East Asia; Russia is surrounded.

    If you would prefer you can simply take Canada out of the equation in the imaginary scenario to help soothe your libtard midwittery.

    [–]On-Point 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Look at a map. faggot. You are wrong as usual.

    [–]MarkimusNational Socialist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I just described what the maps show. Jew worshipping nerd, since when do bootlicking libtards say faggot too? Are you just a jew yourself so you're able to say the no-no words? I see why you're so mad about the child porn haven being wrecked in that case.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Calling Ukraine a sovereign nation is laughable in the extreme.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

    Or - Russia invaded a country without provocation, has thus committed war crimes of killing 350 innocent people, wounding and displacing 100s of thousounds more, and destroying much of Ukraine's infrastructure, and there are "raw reports" from Ukraine showing us what happened. If you wonder about the strategy: it's to take the 3 major cities and thereby control Ukraine, at whatever the cost. What's unfortunate here is that anyone on Saidit would support these attrocities. You should see Russian TV at the moment. It's all lies about liberating Ukraine. This is what you get with dictatorships. This is the result of fascism. This is where your white-nationalist ethnostate authoritarian propaganda will lead. This post at Saidit is an example of the worst that humanity has to offer: the promotion of authoritarian states and leaders, which continue to destroy the lives of many, for the sake of a handful of evil people. Those of you promoting this propaganda are complicit in ruining the lives of innocent people. None of this will benefit you. It's cancer. It will have an impact on you, personally.

    [–]NeoRail 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (11 children)

    You are beyond parody.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

    Of what? Where do you get your information about the war crimes committed against Ukraine?

    [–]douglas_waltersWhite Supremacist 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    war crimes

    Liberal meme

    [–]On-Point 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    Does Putin make you swallow?

    [–]douglas_waltersWhite Supremacist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    100% voluntary

    [–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    From a mix of Western media and independent information aggregators. Thus far, it seems that Western media is contradicted by the evidence on every point that matters. As to Russian media, I can't comment on its quality as I have not been keeping track of it.

    The reason I said you are beyond parody is different though. I said that because everything you said - every single thing - is in some way wrong or a distortion of the facts. It's astonishing, for example, how you identify Putin's liberal democratic regime as "authoritarian fascist" and naively assume that fascists support him, even though you have been here for months and have spoken to actual fascists several times, which should have made it obvious that they do not like Putin.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Thanks for a debate point, which I rarely get on DAR, if ever.

    It's astonishing, for example, how you identify Putin's liberal democratic regime as "authoritarian fascist"

    It is impossible to show that Putin is part of a "liberal democratic" government. There is absolutely nothing liberal about it, nor is there a proper democracy. You are correct that he heads a 'regime' which is the term for an authoritarian government. He heads a fascist regime, as defined by everyone (notwithstanding DAR users, perhaps). This is the first I've seen the phrase "liberal democratic regime" for anything (as it's a contradiction in terms). An the term does not apply ot Putin (who would also admit that his regime is absolutely not liberal). He wants us to think it's democratic, but when you remove all opposition before an election, you don't have a democracy. What some fascists think of Putin is beside the point (not all fascists think alike; in fact there is a wide variety of them around the globe). What Putin is doing is literally fascist, by all definitions of the term.

    [–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    It is impossible to show that Putin is part of a "liberal democratic" government.

    His state is a multi-party parliamentary democracy with regular elections and liberal instutions such as a constitution, separation of powers etc. etc. It is, without a doubt, a liberal democracy.

    You are correct that he heads a 'regime' which is the term for an authoritarian government.

    I also use the term "American regime". Although, yes, I suppose that in the end it is an authoritarian regime too, as are all other liberal governments.

    He heads a fascist regime, as defined by everyone (notwithstanding DAR users, perhaps).

    So apparently, fascism is when you kill fascists, imprison fascists and are disliked by fascists. Naturally, liberals are more correct when they say that anything they don't like, from Hitler to Pinochet to cheeto burito man, is what fascism really is.

    This is the first I've seen the phrase "liberal democratic regime" for anything (as it's a contradiction in terms).

    It is not at all, you are projecting your preconceived notions about specifics words and phrases onto the world at large, hence your confusion.

    An the term does not apply ot Putin (who would also admit that his regime is absolutely not liberal).

    That's because he's ignorant or a liar. Zinoviev already called this out long ago.

    He wants us to think it's democratic, but when you remove all opposition before an election, you don't have a democracy.

    All Western governments do this too so apparently you are wrong.

    What some fascists think of Putin is beside the point (not all fascists think alike; in fact there is a wide variety of them around the globe).

    Perhaps you should ask Russian fascists what they think of him.

    What Putin is doing is literally fascist, by all definitions of the term.

    No, it isn't at all, and you are a complete clown for thinking otherwise. Military action is not exclusive to fascism and does not make a regime fascist, otherwise every single state in the world would be "fascist", starting from the dawn of time.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Thanks again for the debate points. Perhaps I shouldn't continue this, but for what it's worth:

    His state is a multi-party parliamentary democracy with regular elections and liberal instutions such as a constitution, separation of powers etc. etc. It is, without a doubt, a liberal democracy.

    As I noted - Putin wants us to think there is a democracy, by virtue of the government structure, but it is absolutely not a functioning democreacy. The opposition is reduced or removed before the elections. Putin obviously controls the government, in what is effectively a dictatorship. It's not a functioning democracy, but instead a fascist dictatorship, which what might appear to eb a democratic structure.

    I also use the term "American regime".

    The US has a democratically elected government, wherein no single person has dictatorial control. Thus it's not a regime. It is however a kind of oligarchy, with a few people controling the rest. And this should stop.

    So apparently, fascism is when you kill fascists,...

    Putin says that's his interest, but it's obviously a bad excuse to 'liberate' Ukrain from fascists, which is not what control the country. There is much more to it than that. He's been upset that the pro-Russian politicians were overthrown in 2014, and has worried that Ukraine would join NATO. Crimea, Georgia, Belarus, and now Ukraine have been his targets for a long time, to bring back as much of the USSR as possible.

    It is not at all

    Yes it is

    All Western governments do this too so apparently you are wrong.

    Not if they're functioning democracies.

    Perhaps you should ask Russian fascists what they think of him.

    They'll have different points of view. They'll also be happy to know Putin is trying to remove two Jewish leaders from Ukraine.

    No, it isn't at all, and you are a complete clown for thinking otherwise.

    He's a textbook fascist/authoritarian. It's really simple. Even clowns understand this.

    [–]NeoRail 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

    it is absolutely not a functioning democreacy

    No such thing.

    but instead a fascist dictatorship

    It is not, you don't know what fascism is, as has already been established.

    which what might appear to eb a democratic structure.

    Because it literally is.

    Putin says that's his interest, but it's obviously a bad excuse to 'liberate' Ukrain from fascists, which is not what control the country.

    I am referring to Russian fascists, whom he has been brutalising for a long time.

    Not if they're functioning democracies.

    Apparently, you also agree that there is no such thing as a functioning democracy.

    They'll have different points of view.

    They won't.

    He's a textbook fascist/authoritarian. It's really simple. Even clowns understand this.

    I agree with what you said earlier that this discussion isn't worth perpetuating, because you're obviously wrong and too irrational to see it. Apparently the US is fascist, as is Britain, as is France, as is the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China, so on and so forth. Enjoy your stubborn ignorance, I have already said all that could be said.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The main problem is that you mention false definitions of commonly known terms. We're arguing over facts, which is really dumb. To say that Putin is not running an authoritarian regime is completely bonkers, by any standard. One need only turn to grade school civics or statecraft. Rather than read my comments, have a look at the usual sources:

    Search: russia authoritarian

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/03/13/russia-has-two-political-systems-normal-chaos-and-putins-override/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_under_Vladimir_Putin

    Or this PDF on Alexander A. Galkin “Authoritarianism in Russia

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/48609681

    https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/how-the-putin-regime-really-works/

    https://www.oxfordbibliographies.com/view/document/obo-9780199756223/obo-9780199756223-0205.xml

    https://oxford.universitypressscholarship.com/view/10.1093/oso/9780190093488.001.0001/oso-9780190093488

    [–]NeoRail 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Okay, I should state from the start that I am not reading liberal propaganda, nor am I interested in what liberals think, because they are wrong about everything.

    With that said, I can agree that Putin is "authoritarian". That does not make him a fascist at all, however - he is, as I said, a liberal democrat. Authoritarian liberalism is not at all rare. Ataturk is a classic example - he was an authoritarian who utterly destroyed Ottoman society, institutions and social organisation in order to create a liberal democratic Turkish republic. This is what Putin is doing as well. He hates radicals. For pity's sake, he's waging a "denazification" war in Ukraine - how could you possibly believe him to be a Nazi or a fascist? The sheer level of cognitive dissonance required is unimaginable.

    [–]AidsVictim69 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    What's unfortunate here is that anyone on Saidit would support these attrocities. You should see Russian TV at the moment. It's all lies about liberating Ukraine. This is what you get with dictatorships. This is the result of fascism. This is where your white-nationalist ethnostate authoritarian propaganda will lead. This post at Saidit is an example of the worst that humanity has to offer: the promotion of authoritarian states and leaders, which continue to destroy the lives of many, for the sake of a handful of evil people.

    This has so far not even come close to a single one of the Western democracies multicultural "adventures" in the last few decades. Russia would have to kill literally tens of millions of Ukrainians, displace tens of millions, and then rape every national asset for the profit of liches in suites while impoverishing the nation before you could drag out your slosh brained moral outrage with any credibility.

    Those of you promoting this propaganda are complicit in ruining the lives of innocent people. None of this will benefit you. It's cancer. It will have an impact on you, personally.

    Keep thinking that capitalist scum.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    If you wish to use a whataboutist argument, at least make an effort to understand a smidgen of history. Perhaps this is, however, an appropriate kind of response one can expect in DAR.

    [–]AidsVictim69 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    If you wish to use a whataboutist argument, at least make an effort to understand a smidgen of history.

    You're comparing the modern oligarchic multicultural multiconfessional capitalist state of Russia with white nationalism and fascism. You're implying it's (Russian authoritarianism) producing more immoral results than Western liberalism. Never mind that the link between modern Russia and "white nationalism" is extremely tenuous, your argument necessitates comparison ('whataboutism") because it's claiming moral superiority of one system over another.

    But if you want to just look at this at isolation and feel good about reading from script that's fine. I feel perfectly comfortable arguing against the modern liberal capitalist abominations of the US and EU in either isolation or in comparison. That's how you develop a more nuanced and complete view of the world. Just go back to sleep and forget about what your masters are scheming https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/02/america-defeats-germany-for-the-third-time-in-a-century-the-mic-bare-and-ogam-conquer-nato.html

    Perhaps this is, however, an appropriate kind of response one can expect in DAR.

    Cope. You just don't have the intelligence or introspection necessary for anything beyond being a midwit liberal.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    At least you're now making an effort.

    But don't assume I am comparing anything. It's simple: Putin's authoritarian regime is ruining the lives of innocent people. The rest is noise. Don't listen to the noise. No reasonable person wants this, in or out of Russia.

    [–]TrabWhite Nationalist 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    We're starting to see the effects of how with social media censorship the internet largely became TV 2.0, at least it's effects on the regular people who don't venture off tik-tok and twitter.

    Seriously if you only had sources from mainstream places you'd think Russia is on the verge of collapse and defeat

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Not quite. It's creating new bubbles. It has fragmented.

    [–]sproketboy 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

    Ukrainians R Nazis.

    [–]grassfed 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    Now do jews

    [–]neomarxist_bullshit 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    The objective reality is that the Russian offensive thus far has proceeded at a lightning pace and has been an incredible success.

    So why did they ask Chechens to help them (and Kazakhstan, who told them to fuck off)?

    You can fuck off to sucking Putin's dick now.

    [–]douglas_waltersWhite Supremacist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Hopefully, this all wraps up within a few weeks. I do not want Usyk or Loma missing the end of their boxing primes.

    [–]zyxzevn🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚🚚 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    On reddit and imgur most of the posts are about the "heroes of Ukraine", usually with old pictures. Also many videos on youtube about the topic.
    It clearly shows a very active propaganda effort, with a lot of fake images planted in it.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I've heard Putin replaced his chief of staff. Is that true?

    [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Nope. BS.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's amazing because it was our own news that reported it. Even I'm shocked at the audacity of their lies.

    [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    What about the Russian convoy that was destroyed. They've shown images of it on TV here.