Why does Race & IQ differences make people angry, but Gender differences does not?

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[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

The Ancient Egyptians are dead dude. Sorry to break it to you, but it was not a Black civilization. Which is what the intelligence discussion is focusing on.

Even in their own depictions, the Egyptians saw themselves as different. For example, here's Ramses II literally leading his caramel colored army against the clearly black skinned Nubians.

https://i.imgur.com/W6WPN7r.jpg

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

The Ancient Egyptians are dead dude.

So is Pythagoras.

Sorry to break it to you, but it was not a Black civilization.

It wasn't white. And it was African.

Ramses II literally leading his caramel colored army against the clearly black skinned Nubians.

They did tend to depict themselves as between black and white. And they didn't consider colour to differentiate races. But we have their mummies in some cases. Some of there were black, but certainly not all.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

So is Pythagoras.

Europeans still exist.

It wasn't white.

True. They were probably Caucasoid, like the other tribes that lived around the Levant.

They did tend to depict themselves as between black and white. And they didn't consider colour to differentiate races.

Which Pharaoh was ever depicted with black skin? It's actually amazing in Egyptian art, they still show the differences in racial skull shapes.

Like this depiction of Ramses II punishing a clearly Black prisoner.

https://i.imgur.com/PqZPiLN.jpg

Even thousands of years ago, they understood simple biology and that races differed in more than just skin.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Europeans still exist.

The descendants of Ancient Egyptians still exist.

True. They were probably Caucasoid, like the other tribes that lived around the Levant.

"Caucasoid" is an obsolete term. But the population of Ancient Egypt included individuals who would have been considered white today, and individuals who would have been considered black today.

Which Pharaoh was ever depicted with black skin?

The depiction by Egyptians is difficult to interpret as realistic, as the skin colours were based on sex. With females being white and males being brown.

But there were mummies of people that would have been considered black if they were in America today.

Even thousands of years ago, they understood simple biology and that races differed in more than just skin.

Ancient Egyptians identified as Egyptians. But skin colour wasn't part of that. It's important in modern USA because it comes with the class divide due to the vast majority of black people coming from a slave background. Ancient Egypt didn't have that.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The descendants of Ancient Egyptians still exist.

They were invaded by the Arabs and completely Islamized. Any traces of Ancient Egyptian culture are pretty much gone.

Caucasoid" is an obsolete term.

No, they would have looked like Caucasians but are still considered a distinct sub-group.

https://i.imgur.com/YfKZFzJ.jpg

Just like how Indians from the Indian sub-continent have similar facial features, but they're still not ever considered White or European.

Edit: Reading the criticisms on the usage of "Caucasians" just reveals more modern woke crap. It's not based on any science, they're merely attacking the idea that White people as a race exist. Spend more time on this sub and you learn fast why that is both deceitful and also dangerous (only White nations are not allowed to put up anti-immigration laws meant to preserve their own way of life).

The depiction by Egyptians is difficult to interpret as realistic, as the skin colours were based on sex. With females being white and males being brown.

I don't see a source for that.

Queen Nefertiti is depicted as brown.

https://i.imgur.com/rmaSqfF.jpg

And so are female dancers and entertainers.

https://i.imgur.com/pYMy1yi.jpg

But in none of these hieroglyphs, do Egyptians ever depict themselves like the Ethnic Nubians who they regarded as their enemies.

But there were mummies of people that would have been considered black if they were in America today.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-ians/ancient-mummy-dna-reveals-european-ancestry-of-egyptians-117053101092_1.html

The team sampled 151 mummified individuals. In total, the authors recovered mitochondrial genomes from 90 individuals, and genome-wide datasets from three individuals. .... The study found that ancient Egyptians were most closely related to ancient populations in the Levant, and were also closely related to Neolithic populations from the Anatolian Peninsula and Europe. ...

They were once again, more related to Middle Eastern or European people, but not Sub-Saharan Africa.

It's important in modern USA because it comes with the class divide due to the vast majority of black people coming from a slave background. Ancient Egypt didn't have that.

Egyptians literally caught and marketed Black Nubian slaves.

https://i.imgur.com/c9X8EJL.jpg

You seem to have been mistaken that slavery has actually been apart of the ancient world. Only up until 19th or 20th century was it actually abolished, and it was mostly Europeans responsible for this.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

No, they would have looked like Caucasians but are still considered a distinct sub-group.

Nope. They included people who you would call black.

I don't see a source for that.

For instance:Instead, in ancient Egypt, skin color was widely seen not as a marker of ethnicity, but rather as a marker of gender. In ancient Egyptian art, Egyptian men are usually shown with brown or red skin and Egyptian women are usually shown with white or light brown skin.

They were once again, more related to Middle Eastern or European people, but not Sub-Saharan Africa.

Once again. Not all of them.

Egyptians literally caught and marketed Black Nubian slaves.

Slaves in Egypt included blacks, but also other colours.

You seem to have been mistaken that slavery has actually been apart of the ancient world

But that is was just blacks is a modern thing. A to be fair, there's multiple statuses in ancient Egypt that have been translated to "slave". I believe that they could all own property?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why stop at the Ancient Egyptians? Why not claim everyone in the world looks Black?

Considering this discussion was about how Africa (as a continent) has made the fewest scientific contributions in all of history, the fact you have to cling to the civilization that was geographically closest to Europe, and not say, any other obvious black tribe that lived around the Congo or Nigeria, is proof you are desperate for any claims of success.

If Blacks were on equal footing with other races, they should be able to recreate these high tech civilizations with ease. Instead what we actually end up seeing is Africa is both the poorest continent, and the majority of its countries are completely irrelevant at large.

or instance:Instead, in ancient Egypt, skin color was widely seen not as a marker of ethnicity, but rather as a marker of gender.

The same website literally shows an Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic depicting 4 Men with different skin colors.

https://i.imgur.com/0UV6k7Y.jpg

Slaves in Egypt included blacks, but also other colours.

Damn, so why didn't the Blacks end the slave trade back then? Why did we have to wait thousands of years for White civilizations to have abolished it on a global scale?

Once again. Not all of them.

They never founded Ancient Egypt. Any actual trace of Black rule was extremely short lived and ultimately collapsed since the Persians had invaded and toppled them.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why stop at the Ancient Egyptians? Why not claim everyone in the world looks Black?

Certainly the idea that human differences are sufficient to claim the existence of distinct races is biologically refuted. So you could make that claim as sensibly as anything.

The same website literally shows an Ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic depicting 4 Men with different skin colors.

Yes. The point is that that's not of itself a reliable guide to the skin colour variation in ancient Egypt. It's indicative that they had a wide variation though. And there's no indication of a relationship between status and skin colour in ancient Egypt.

Damn, so why didn't the Blacks end the slave trade back then?

What?

Why did we have to wait thousands of years for White civilizations to have abolished it on a global scale?

That's not the same slave trade.

They never founded Ancient Egypt. Any actual trace of Black rule was extremely short lived and ultimately collapsed since the Persians had invaded and toppled them.

Citation?

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Certainly the idea that human differences are sufficient to claim the existence of distinct races is biologically refuted. So you could make that claim as sensibly as anything.

Denying race is responsible for getting children killed because bone marrow transplants are heavily dependent on certain ethnic ancestries. Mixed race children in particular are bigger victims of this.

https://www.cancer.net/blog/2021-03/why-bone-marrow-registry-needs-more-diverse-donors-and-how-sign

You inherit HLA genes from each of your parents. These genes then code for the proteins, or markers, on your cells. Siblings are often good candidates for donors because they are more likely to have the same HLA markers as you. However, about 70% of patients needing a transplant do not have a fully matched donor in their family, and they must use a registry of unrelated donors for help. Race and ethnicity impact HLA markers. Certain combinations of HLA markers may be common to an ethnic group because of its evolutionary history. This commonality makes matches more likely among people of the same ethnicity or race. For example, African Americans have more diverse HLA markers than other people, which makes finding a match more challenging. People who are of mixed-race descent may also have HLA markers that are relatively unique and therefore more difficult to match.

It's actually pretty sad that diversity leads to more suffering, but the stubbornness of liberalism means they wont ever admit to the damage they caused by teaching people "we're all the same" when it doesn't work out in the medical field...

Yes. The point is that that's not of itself a reliable guide to the skin colour variation in ancient Egypt

There's 4 Men in that picture but only one of them is ethnically an Ancient Egyptian. The other 3 Men are Libyan, Nubian, and Asian.

That's not the same slave trade.

It's because of White people why slavery anywhere around the world was considered immoral and abolished. For example, Japan took slaves during WW2 yet losing against the United States put a stop to that.

So yes, it's still the same slavery, unless you're saying you're fine with selling humans under forced bondage?

Citation?

It's called the 25th dynasty.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Dynasty_of_Egypt

Egypt got invaded by the Kushite Kingdom, who then ruled as Pharaohs for 90 years until they tried to pick a fight with the Persians, who then invaded Egypt and forced the Kushites out of power.

[–]ActuallyNot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Denying race is responsible for getting children killed because bone marrow transplants are heavily dependent on certain ethnic ancestries.

You can't donate marrow to someone off the street, no matter what colour their skin is. Siblings only match 1 in 4. If you think siblings are different races 75% of the time, you've got a narrow definition of race even compared to the racists who have a non-biologically supported narrow definition of race.

There's 4 Men in that picture but only one of them is ethnically an Ancient Egyptian. The other 3 Men are Libyan, Nubian, and Asian.

Right. And if Egyptian art was consistent in depicting skin colour, we could be more confident about what that means with respect to the historical skin colour of those peoples. As it is it needs to be supported by other evidence.

It's because of White people why slavery anywhere around the world was considered immoral and abolished.

Black people were supportive of the slave trade, and white people considered it immoral and abolished it?

Good luck with selling that.

Meanwhile back in Ancient Egypt, or anywhere pre-15th century, slavery was not related to colour.

It's called the 25th dynasty.

It's good you've got a name for it. What's the best evidence for your claim that the pharaohs before and after that didn't have "any actual trace of black"?