Opinion on COVID vaccination

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[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

The persistent push for COVID vaccinations is to pave way for mandatory vaccinations otherwise you cannot use airlines, trains, etc or participate at social venues. It is hard to tell if this normalization is necessary for the elites to one day slip in a vaccine that sterilizes or culls a portion of the population or based on pure greed. It will become another subscription service where every few months you have purchase a "booster" shot or get the latest vaccine that increases resistance against a new viral strain. If the government doesn't enforce it by law in your country they will allow global corporations to enforce on employees and potentially customers making it a defacto standard. It is not worth risking mandatory vaccines especially when it is pushed by an elite that despises your very being.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It is hard to tell if this normalization is necessary for the elites to one day slip in a vaccine that sterilizes or culls a portion of the population or based on pure greed.

For something like this to happen, any Elite group would need to set a precedent, by producing a vaccine that kills people in complete secret. But that contains a huge flaw. I'll use an example of the Jim Jones death cult. They were squeezing poisoned tainted needles into every cult member. But the victims only had 30 minutes to live before dropping dead.

If someone tries to pull this off today but on a massive scale, it would have to be done perfectly with absolutely no hiccups for anyone to notice they're about to die. Which to be honest, sounds like an absurd and rather, incredibly inefficient way of even "culling" a population.

The current trend with Covid-19 vaccines is that there have been massive shortages. Even for the people who wanted to get a 1st or 2nd dose, they literally had to wait months in-between shots before supply officially kept up with demand. Now I'm trying to imagine how is someone in the future going to fulfill a demand for "death vaccines", especially as I said earlier, administering this kind of lethal technology can't be done with any flaws in the test run. It has to be perfect or the entire idea behind it comes crumbling down...

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

For something like this to happen, any Elite group would need to set a precedent, by producing a vaccine that kills people in complete secret. But that contains a huge flaw. I'll use an example of the Jim Jones death cult. They were squeezing poisoned tainted needles into every cult member. But the victims only had 30 minutes to live before dropping dead.

I am not talking about a Jim Jones type of vaccine or hemlock poisoning type of death. I am talking about taking a vaccine and developing a deadly auto immune disorders weeks, months or years later. You would not immediately believe it came from a vaccine because by that time vaccination would be normalized and also side effects from taking vaccines. They might not even have to intentionally produce a deadly vaccine because a poorly tested medicine can bring about the same results. Pain reducing narcotics like Oxycodone is a example of this in practice. It is a narcotic used to relieve moderate to severe pain. The company knew about the addictive nature of the drug and forced upon the public by bribing doctors to over subscribe it to patients with moderate pain. For most people, it does not lead to a deadly spiral into drug overdose, however it happens to enough people we should be questioning its proliferation on the market. Also, one of these companies laughed at the people dying from overdose from their drugs as just being junkie drug addicts. These people are despicable and are the same type of people that are developing your vaccines. People should be apprehensive in following the advice from people that only see you as a number on a balance sheet.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If a vaccine takes years to kill someone, what exactly is the purpose of prescribing it in the first place?

People are taking vaccines now because they want to be safe against a virus that exists today, and not 5 or 10 years later.

And that's what has lead to the supply/demand issue, because the market has determined it works, but there isn't enough of this miracle drug to go around.

With narcotics, it's the same idea. It's people who are looking for immediate pain relief, instead of dealing with it constantly forever. And that's perhaps where the overdose deaths come in, especially for someone who might be struggling with some kind of long term illness.

But vaccines are meant to eradicate disease, instead of prolonging them. So again, it's still not an inefficient means of culling people in large numbers, when they are designed for the complete opposite. Nobody really wants to put up with another Covid-like virus even 1 year from now.

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If a vaccine takes years to kill someone, what exactly is the purpose of prescribing it in the first place?

If a child takes a vaccine and dies before reproducing, I would say that is an effective way to sterilize a population.

People are taking vaccines now because they want to be safe against a virus that exists today, and not 5 or 10 years later.

Vaccines don't eradicate a virus completely. They will mutate and some of them are carried by animals. Are you going to vaccine all the rats to stop the bubonic plague? There comes a point where you have to be practical and the fact they are pushing a impractical solution on everyone shows they have ulterior motivations.

Vaccines should be voluntary and targeted at groups that are at risk like old people or people with preexisting medical conditions that will put their life in danger from a contagious virus. Normal people that can struggle through a bad flu should not be forced to take a vaccine. What they should be trying to normalize is people taking sick days, wearing a mask if you think you have symptoms or just practicing cleanliness.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If a child takes a vaccine and dies before reproducing, I would say that is an effective way to sterilize a population.

Unless you live in Africa, where adult mortality outpaces child birth by a long shot, it absolutely would not sterilize the population.

https://www.populationpyramid.net/united-states-of-america/2020/

Only 9% of America's population falls under the Age of 18, and if this is a drug that still takes year to kill/sterilize people, than that's enough time for all the 16 year old's to have kids before they somehow start dropping off.

Vaccines don't eradicate a virus completely.

Then you're not following the news. Israel is pretty close to being completely vaccinated and they've gone weeks and even months without a new death. The most recent death that was reported yesterday actually came from an unvaccinated person, which is the equivalent of performing natural selection and removing yourself from the gene pool.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/coronavirus-deaths-reported-in-israel-for-first-time-in-over-2-weeks/

Edit: Correction. There where 2 deaths. A 48 year old man who wasn't vaccinated and an 86 year old who had his 2 shots. But look at the damn age difference. The younger and unvaxxed people are still at a higher risk of dying than an old man who was already on his way out anyway.

Normal people that can struggle through a bad flu should not be forced to take a vaccine. What they should be trying to normalize is people taking sick days, wearing a mask if you think you have symptoms or just practicing cleanliness.

No, I refuse to see this reckless advice get pushed anymore. It only takes one infected person to get an entire meat factory or school shut down just because of how contagious the Covid virus is. It literally costs more money and human lives to try and "normalize" Covid, as opposed to eradicating the disease completely. The medicine is here, and it's proven to work with 99% efficiency. Ask yourself, when are the billions of people who have already taken the vaccine suppose to drop dead? Because that's the world you're literally hinging your bets on if you think everyone chose to commit suicide as opposed to being the ones who will actually outlive this pandemic.