What are some alt-right explanations for the space program (including non-whites)?

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[–]EuropeanAwakening14 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I don't think you really understand what we believe or more importantly why we believe it. Non White space achievement are almost completely the result of prior European achievement and invention. It doesn't matter anyway. We don't give a shit if non Whites do space balls star trek fantasy BS.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

Don't you think then, it would be more encouraging to push space research if it literally means every ethnic group on the planet has the opportunity to settle far away from each other? That's why I'm surprised this topic isn't brought up more. The goals of an Elite running some sort of prison planet, or forcing humans to intermingle, falls apart the moment we achieve Space travel and have no reason to stay on this floating rock.

And if the Jews themselves have no problem with this, then isn't this more reasons to rubber stamp the idea of pushing Space as the solution to racism, given there are no major obstacles put in place to stop these projects?

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

The goals of an Elite running some sort of prison planet, or forcing humans to intermingle, falls apart the moment we achieve Space travel and have no reason to stay on this floating rock.

Have you seen deep space 9? The minute jews find real aliens they will be pushing their transpecies agenda and normalizing gay butt sex with a Ferengi bar tender.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Off topic but I've been watching some DS9 recently and I swear there's half a dozen races that are Jew proxies. The Bajorans never stop bitching about their own Holocaust, the Ferengi are obviously avaricious, the Founders are shape shifters who breed proxy armies to do their dirty work and have a word like Goyim for everyone else and even one of their proxies the Vorta are conniving socipaths gifted with high verbal IQ's.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I need to rewatch some of that

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You know, I was actually going to mention Aliens in the next post.

But I question why or how Jews could push an Earth-based agenda on Species that are millions of years removed from us? It's like trying to teach a Cat how to speak Japanese, or convince a Fish to learn programming. Unless aliens have an evolutionary makeup that is the exact same as Humans, we would actually have extreme difficulty trying to communicate with a foreign species.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Spanish sailors on their way to Azteca probably wondered how they would communicate with the savages as well, but now your mom gets fucked by mexicans on the reg. Life comes at you fast. We cant predict how communication and propaganda will work with the Ferengi and Klingon hordes.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Poor comparison, especially as humans always had a history of branching evolutionary paths and meeting up again (i.e see Neanderthals in Europe who came in contact with other Homo Sapiens).

Nothing about Aliens from outer space says they even have to look or behave like us. They could be bacteria traveling along an asteroid. If we do end up meeting life forms with similar levels of intelligence, then there are still other features that could set us apart. Like maybe they communicate telepathically instead of using speech which is an Earth-like evolution.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Back to your original argument: "No worries, because jews wont be able to communicate with aliens". This is true if Aliens are bacteria, but not true if Aliens are like Alf, thus there is still risk. If the Aliens are like Alf, your grandchildren will be attending Alf buttsex story hour.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not that I believe Jews can't communicate with Aliens, I just hold the belief that unless they come from a planet that is 100% identical to Earth, then we can't really apply our own biases to foreign species who thrived under different environments.

That's why Space Exploration is going to be so interesting. You can't just land on another planet and expect to see civilizations that mirror our own. Everything from global temperature to even time of day are radically different (i.e a single day on Mars is actually 25 hours long but on Venus it's 5800 hours).

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unless aliens have an evolutionary makeup that is the exact same as Humans, we would actually have extreme difficulty trying to communicate with a foreign species.

It's not that I believe Jews can't communicate with Aliens...

I think you're well aware of how well the jews will be at spreading their propaganda to the klingons.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Industrial society is completely relient on oil. Unless there is oil on other planets or we make an extreme and unexpected advancement in fuel and materials technology, the idea of long distance space travel and colonization of planets outside of our solar system is simply silly fantasizing. We have ONE planet.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

An asteroid could arrive at any time and wipe us all out. Or the sun explodes and obliterates the entire galaxy. We only have one planet, yes. But ironically, if you really care about the long term survival of your species, placing your bets on one floating space rock is not a good idea.

And I'm not a fan of oil. It's always been a troublesome resource in both its environmental impact, and the politics associated with it (i.e look at the wars in the Middle East as proof). If anything, you should support Space Travel so humanity does find an alternative resource faster. Maybe even switch to nuclear fuel? That's what's already being used in submarines and aircraft carriers.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Kind of sad when you look at how that finite resource is being wasted.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

the moment we achieve Space travel and have no reason to stay on this floating rock.

That isn't going to happen, at least in any our lifetimes. Optimistically maybe you can get small fragile (due to health problems from gravity and radiation) populations on Mars or some of the moons or something, travel to other solar systems is probably not possible in any reasonable timeframes because it's probably not possible to travel fast enough. All sci fi media relies on some super fast travel conceit which likely does not exist.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Speed wont be an issue if find other ways to circumvent such limitations. Anything from cryostatsis, suspended animation, or hell, maybe even A.I & Robots can complete the journey for us, like that's already the case with Mars.

None of us are going to be alive in the next 1000+ years so there's no point in making assumptions in what the next generation of humans are capable of. Travel back 1000 years ago and no one even had personal cars or an electronic calculator. Yet the march for scientific innovation didn't stop. We exist today so we can at least establish the roadmap for our successors to fulfill our dreams that just weren't possible yet.

All sci fi media relies on some super fast travel conceit which likely does not exist.

We just received the first color image of black holes a view years ago. Everything we know about Space is extremely premature and not something we have the 100% definite answer to in our lifetime. It doesn't bother me if the technology doesn't exist today. Let future humans figure out how they can make this concept possible.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Speed wont be an issue if find other ways to circumvent such limitations. Anything from cryostatsis, suspended animation, or hell, maybe even A.I & Robots can complete the journey for us, like that's already the case with Mars.

None of us are going to be alive in the next 1000+ years so there's no point in making assumptions in what the next generation of humans are capable of. Travel back 1000 years ago and no one even had personal cars or an electronic calculator. Yet the march for scientific innovation didn't stop. We exist today so we can at least establish the roadmap for our successors to fulfill our dreams that just weren't possible yet.

Ok sure, but that's basically irrelevant to anyone alive today. If you're worried about demographic trends in the next 50 years what happens in a hundred or more doesn't matter much, you've already "lost".

We just received the first color image of black holes a view years ago. Everything we know about Space is extremely premature and not something we have the 100% definite answer to in our lifetime. It doesn't bother me if the technology doesn't exist today. Let future humans figure out how they can make this concept possible.

Maybe, personally I think it's extremely unlikely. You can't just assume physics will work conveniently for humans despite all indications otherwise. Our ignorance isn't really a good argument, we can only speculate based on what we know, which currently precludes any sort of practically useful extra solar travel.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ok sure, but that's basically irrelevant to anyone alive today. If you're worried about demographic trends in the next 50 years what happens in a hundred or more doesn't matter much, you've already "lost".

Just because we can't achieve the Star Wars stuff right away, doesn't mean we drop any active research that could still pave the way for it. So it's still relevant, we just need to be realistic with our expectations. At least until better technology does arrive.

Maybe, personally I think it's extremely unlikely. You can't just assume physics will work conveniently for humans despite all indications otherwise. Our ignorance isn't really a good argument, we can only speculate based on what we know, which currently precludes any sort of practically useful extra solar travel.

It might not be convenient for humans, but that's also assuming our bodies stay the same forever, or we don't encounter another environmental pressure that forces humans to interact with the known universe in another way. That's basically what I hinted at when I said Robots have already bypassed the very same limitations you said affect Humans. All that matters is we keep this chain of progress going for future generations to take a hold of.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

AI and cryogenics are at least theoretically possible and these could aid in intrasolar colonization (which will always be incredibly limited by the reality of these environments) or in seed ships that will probably never have contact with Earth in a meaningful way again. They also aren't likely to get developed if the average IQ a hundred years from now is 20 points lower.

FTL travel (or even moving at fast enough relative speed to Earth and not getting exploded) is not possible without just making up new physics and tossing everything we have now out the window. It's by far the biggest magic trick in most scifi. I can't tell you absolutely it's not possible of course, but I think most people who assume this will just be a solved problem in the future misunderstand how incredibly integral relativity is at every level of physics. It's far more likely it's correct than not based on everything we know.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hear me out, the solution to FTL travel will probably come in the form of particles.

I'm not a physicist, but if you ever looked inside a computer, you'll know that every piece of silicon sends information to each other at blazing fast speeds. Every year, this technology gets faster and faster until eventually we hit the quantum level. This is where the "sci-fi" stuff becomes real, because teleportation and other far out concepts get taken seriously in this realm.

https://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_summ.jsp?cntn_id=300854&org=NSF&from=news#:~:text=While%20human%20teleportation%20currently%20exists,than%20the%20transportation%20of%20matter.

Again, I don't deny that it's impossible to break the rules of physics. But the constant evolution of computers shows plenty of other cheat codes exist that can basically act like the same thing.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But the constant evolution of computers shows plenty of other cheat codes exist that can basically act like the same thing.

Not really. Quantum "teleportation" is something that's been understood and studied for 80 some years, this is just a mechanical implementation of the theory. There is no actual physical transfer of energy/information here nor does there exist even some theoretical way in which it could occur in any currently plausible model. It's not even directly useful for quantum computing (superposition is what makes quantum computers theoretically useful). The word quantum is thrown around a lot mystify things for public consumption and while it's interesting they can build a system sufficiently isolated to practically measure entanglement it doesn't actually represent anything new in physics. Rather than pushing the limits of physics into new realms, most research of the last ~30 years has been confirming and building consensus that the standard model/relativity are correct and occluding alternative theories to the point many physicists don't even know where to look anymore beyond just building more energetic colliders.

"Light speed" is a bit of a misnomer - it's more like the "speed of causality". Anything that breaks that gives you all kind of nonsensical results, such as time reversal or particles appearing at random intervals before they're created/emitted. In sci fi shows like star trek or star wars or whatever when ships travel faster than light it appears as if they're just moving very quickly - in the real world traveling like that couldn't even be modeled by physics as we understand it because it breaks so many conceits of reality baked into our models.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll concede FTL is a topic I still need to read more about. If I come across new research, I'll definitely update my post with them.