What are some alt-right explanations for the space program (including non-whites)?

submitted by radicalcentristNational Centrism from self.debatealtright

I know the most obvious one right off the bat is "Race and IQ", but I'm more interested in hearing how do you think Jews play a role in what humans do outside of Earth?

For example, both Communists and Capitalists have sunk billions sending rockets into outer space, so if there was a conspiracy that Jews on both sides wanted to stop space research, then there's already a flaw in that scenario. But something else to consider, how come Space Research has attracted the attention of several non-white groups, instead of it just being a European goal? China has sent rovers to the moon and back. India and Israel have tried the same although they're still behind. North Korea has launched satellites, although it's probably for propaganda results. On the other side of the world, a little unknown fact is Brazil has been spending more money on Space technology recently, despite their nation being heavily mixed race. Africans too have also started their own investment. Kenya's geographic location actually puts it ahead of other nations because of its close proximity to the equator, to which the Kenyan government is beginning to capitalize on.

Anyways, there's a ton of evidence that Space research is happening everywhere, even among poor and non-white societies, so what effect does this have on the elites in your eyes? Should outer space only be for White people? What will be the fate of all these Space Programs, even though both left & right wing parties have shown a significant interest in them, and what do you think Jews will do inbetween all of this?

all 35 comments
sorted by:
top
newinsightfulfun

[–]president_camacho 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm trying to figure out what you are questioning exactly, or simply stating. The post is a disjointed mess, but I'll give it a shot even though im not solidly alt right.

For example, both Communists and Capitalists have sunk billions sending rockets into outer space, so if there was a conspiracy that Jews on both sides wanted to stop space research, then there's already a flaw in that scenario.

Who says there was a conspiracy to stop space research? I've never heard this before.

But something else to consider, how come Space Research has attracted the attention of several non-white groups, instead of it just being a European goal?

Why would it be strictly a European goal?

Anyways, there's a ton of evidence that Space research is happening everywhere, even among poor and non-white societies, so what effect does this have on the elites in your eyes?

Not sure of what effect, I guess it depends on which elites you are talking about specifically.

Should outer space only be for White people?

No, why would it, and who is claiming that? The Japanese have made some pretty impressive contributions to space research. The Chinese seem more interested in military applications but they might do some interesting things in years to come. The Israelis care only about military applications as well, and maybe a little bit of public relations and advertising as they want to become a world tech power(which should scare the shit out of the rest of the world).

what do you think Jews will do inbetween all of this?

Dont understand the question at all.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Who says there was a conspiracy to stop space research? I've never heard this before.

This may be extrapolation, but I definitely recall a conspiracy that Elites want a global culture based on consumerism, rather than allow any wiggle room for scientific projects. Although Space could still tie into this idea, making profits from this research is much more of a late term goal, whereas every nation involved right now are spending money on it as a risk.

Why would it be strictly a European goal?

Well at first it was. Arguably the first scientists involved in this field came from either the Soviet Union or Third Reich Germany and the field continued to be dominated by them until the modern 21st century where now all nations of the world decided to have an interest.

Not sure of what effect, I guess it depends on which elites you are talking about specifically.

Any of them. Especially the same ones who are interested in enslaving or genocide a population, but then say Kenya or China comes along and starts sending people to colonize another planet. What kind of reaction can we expect when humans are no longer bound to Earth-like rules?

No, why would it, and who is claiming that? The Japanese have made some pretty impressive contributions to space research. The Chinese seem more interested in military applications but they might do some interesting things in years to come. The Israelis care only about military applications as well, and maybe a little bit of public relations and advertising as they want to become a world tech power(which should scare the shit out of the rest of the world).

There's a huge competition aspect to consider. As someone who leans towards fairness within reason, I obviously have no issue with every race going into Space. But I'm surprised if you don't have problems with losing a monopoly-like status on what outer space presents. Even bringing up military applications, that would change the balance of world power immediately, if even one non-white nation where to build and station their own army base on the moon, or even deploy Space lasers that circle the globe, like what Ronald Reagan initially envisioned for the U.S.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative

Again, equality for Space seems like a more liberal approach to take, but then it's like the same thing with nuclear weapons. Do you really want other groups to wield disproportionate power relative to their current world standing?

Dont understand the question at all.

Do you think Jews would really be ok with Humans leaving this Earth and thus technically, not even be ruled by them? If we listen to Elon Musk and his claims that a Mars colony wont even adhere to Earth jurisdiction, doesn't this present some sort of Elite crisis where humans might start leaving this planet to live somewhere else in Space that's completely free of them?

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

There is a book about this called "Whitey on the Moon", by Paul Kersey. He answers most of your questions.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Do you have a summary or bring up points from the book that relate to the status of Space today? For example, the final chapter talks about the redistribution of funding towards public welfare instead of colonizing foreign planets, but that information is either outdated now or is a little exaggerated. Even with all the affirmative action crap, NASA hasn't completely stopped sending robots into Space, or even planning the first manned Mars mission this decade.

And even if you don't want to put all your faith in NASA/government sponsored space programs, then the example of Elon Musk I brought up earlier still shows that even private companies will fill the vacuum if no one else wants to do it.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There is too much information required. The final frontier is complicated. If you want to know the answer to your questions, you will have to actually read the book.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

If the book's message is that Space is cancelled, then something about it is clearly outdated. I'll still take a look into it because I am interested in any essay that covers race and space exploration. But I'm not seeing any counter arguments that says all this work that has gone into space programs is actually at risk of being lost. The only thing that may have changed was the trajectory of all these futuristic ideas may have been pushed back thanks to wasteful spending on unnecessary wars. But other significant discoveries have still been in the past decade like the 2021 landing of the Mars rover, or the first full color image of what Black Holes look like.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It might help to troll less and read more. Some concepts are more complicated than the front jacket flap.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

So what exactly is the message you're trying to tell me? Just give the crux of the book's argument right now so I at least have a point of reference to start from.

For example, do you deny that Space Research hasn't stopped? This is a simple yes or no question. If you do believe Space Research has stopped, then cite where in the book did it tell you that.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't call it argument. It's really more of a history book that also documents how racial conflict has played a role in the U.S. space program.

Of course space research hasn't stopped. Elon Musk is about to colonize Mars in a few decades.

[–]Girondin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

read:

  • the right stuff book (Wolfe makes the racial angle clear)

  • whitey on the moon (already mentioned), you can find this book on certain book piracy websites (z-lib....), I don't think it's unethical since I don't think he is selling it anymore.

  • apollo: race to the moon by Charles Murray (of bell curve fame)

  • The Subjective Side of Science: A Philosophical Inquiry into the Psychology of the Apollo Moon Scientists: has a lot of interesting interviews with the scientist behind it, skeptical of the jungian psychology / general psychology in it but a hidden gem.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you, I'll give these books a read.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (21 children)

I don't think you really understand what we believe or more importantly why we believe it. Non White space achievement are almost completely the result of prior European achievement and invention. It doesn't matter anyway. We don't give a shit if non Whites do space balls star trek fantasy BS.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

Don't you think then, it would be more encouraging to push space research if it literally means every ethnic group on the planet has the opportunity to settle far away from each other? That's why I'm surprised this topic isn't brought up more. The goals of an Elite running some sort of prison planet, or forcing humans to intermingle, falls apart the moment we achieve Space travel and have no reason to stay on this floating rock.

And if the Jews themselves have no problem with this, then isn't this more reasons to rubber stamp the idea of pushing Space as the solution to racism, given there are no major obstacles put in place to stop these projects?

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

The goals of an Elite running some sort of prison planet, or forcing humans to intermingle, falls apart the moment we achieve Space travel and have no reason to stay on this floating rock.

Have you seen deep space 9? The minute jews find real aliens they will be pushing their transpecies agenda and normalizing gay butt sex with a Ferengi bar tender.

[–]literalotherkinNorm MacDonald Nationalism 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Off topic but I've been watching some DS9 recently and I swear there's half a dozen races that are Jew proxies. The Bajorans never stop bitching about their own Holocaust, the Ferengi are obviously avaricious, the Founders are shape shifters who breed proxy armies to do their dirty work and have a word like Goyim for everyone else and even one of their proxies the Vorta are conniving socipaths gifted with high verbal IQ's.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I need to rewatch some of that

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

You know, I was actually going to mention Aliens in the next post.

But I question why or how Jews could push an Earth-based agenda on Species that are millions of years removed from us? It's like trying to teach a Cat how to speak Japanese, or convince a Fish to learn programming. Unless aliens have an evolutionary makeup that is the exact same as Humans, we would actually have extreme difficulty trying to communicate with a foreign species.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

Spanish sailors on their way to Azteca probably wondered how they would communicate with the savages as well, but now your mom gets fucked by mexicans on the reg. Life comes at you fast. We cant predict how communication and propaganda will work with the Ferengi and Klingon hordes.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Poor comparison, especially as humans always had a history of branching evolutionary paths and meeting up again (i.e see Neanderthals in Europe who came in contact with other Homo Sapiens).

Nothing about Aliens from outer space says they even have to look or behave like us. They could be bacteria traveling along an asteroid. If we do end up meeting life forms with similar levels of intelligence, then there are still other features that could set us apart. Like maybe they communicate telepathically instead of using speech which is an Earth-like evolution.

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Back to your original argument: "No worries, because jews wont be able to communicate with aliens". This is true if Aliens are bacteria, but not true if Aliens are like Alf, thus there is still risk. If the Aliens are like Alf, your grandchildren will be attending Alf buttsex story hour.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's not that I believe Jews can't communicate with Aliens, I just hold the belief that unless they come from a planet that is 100% identical to Earth, then we can't really apply our own biases to foreign species who thrived under different environments.

That's why Space Exploration is going to be so interesting. You can't just land on another planet and expect to see civilizations that mirror our own. Everything from global temperature to even time of day are radically different (i.e a single day on Mars is actually 25 hours long but on Venus it's 5800 hours).

[–]Blackbrownfreestuff 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Unless aliens have an evolutionary makeup that is the exact same as Humans, we would actually have extreme difficulty trying to communicate with a foreign species.

It's not that I believe Jews can't communicate with Aliens...

I think you're well aware of how well the jews will be at spreading their propaganda to the klingons.

[–]EuropeanAwakening14 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Industrial society is completely relient on oil. Unless there is oil on other planets or we make an extreme and unexpected advancement in fuel and materials technology, the idea of long distance space travel and colonization of planets outside of our solar system is simply silly fantasizing. We have ONE planet.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

An asteroid could arrive at any time and wipe us all out. Or the sun explodes and obliterates the entire galaxy. We only have one planet, yes. But ironically, if you really care about the long term survival of your species, placing your bets on one floating space rock is not a good idea.

And I'm not a fan of oil. It's always been a troublesome resource in both its environmental impact, and the politics associated with it (i.e look at the wars in the Middle East as proof). If anything, you should support Space Travel so humanity does find an alternative resource faster. Maybe even switch to nuclear fuel? That's what's already being used in submarines and aircraft carriers.

[–]Nombre27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Kind of sad when you look at how that finite resource is being wasted.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

the moment we achieve Space travel and have no reason to stay on this floating rock.

That isn't going to happen, at least in any our lifetimes. Optimistically maybe you can get small fragile (due to health problems from gravity and radiation) populations on Mars or some of the moons or something, travel to other solar systems is probably not possible in any reasonable timeframes because it's probably not possible to travel fast enough. All sci fi media relies on some super fast travel conceit which likely does not exist.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Speed wont be an issue if find other ways to circumvent such limitations. Anything from cryostatsis, suspended animation, or hell, maybe even A.I & Robots can complete the journey for us, like that's already the case with Mars.

None of us are going to be alive in the next 1000+ years so there's no point in making assumptions in what the next generation of humans are capable of. Travel back 1000 years ago and no one even had personal cars or an electronic calculator. Yet the march for scientific innovation didn't stop. We exist today so we can at least establish the roadmap for our successors to fulfill our dreams that just weren't possible yet.

All sci fi media relies on some super fast travel conceit which likely does not exist.

We just received the first color image of black holes a view years ago. Everything we know about Space is extremely premature and not something we have the 100% definite answer to in our lifetime. It doesn't bother me if the technology doesn't exist today. Let future humans figure out how they can make this concept possible.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Speed wont be an issue if find other ways to circumvent such limitations. Anything from cryostatsis, suspended animation, or hell, maybe even A.I & Robots can complete the journey for us, like that's already the case with Mars.

None of us are going to be alive in the next 1000+ years so there's no point in making assumptions in what the next generation of humans are capable of. Travel back 1000 years ago and no one even had personal cars or an electronic calculator. Yet the march for scientific innovation didn't stop. We exist today so we can at least establish the roadmap for our successors to fulfill our dreams that just weren't possible yet.

Ok sure, but that's basically irrelevant to anyone alive today. If you're worried about demographic trends in the next 50 years what happens in a hundred or more doesn't matter much, you've already "lost".

We just received the first color image of black holes a view years ago. Everything we know about Space is extremely premature and not something we have the 100% definite answer to in our lifetime. It doesn't bother me if the technology doesn't exist today. Let future humans figure out how they can make this concept possible.

Maybe, personally I think it's extremely unlikely. You can't just assume physics will work conveniently for humans despite all indications otherwise. Our ignorance isn't really a good argument, we can only speculate based on what we know, which currently precludes any sort of practically useful extra solar travel.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Ok sure, but that's basically irrelevant to anyone alive today. If you're worried about demographic trends in the next 50 years what happens in a hundred or more doesn't matter much, you've already "lost".

Just because we can't achieve the Star Wars stuff right away, doesn't mean we drop any active research that could still pave the way for it. So it's still relevant, we just need to be realistic with our expectations. At least until better technology does arrive.

Maybe, personally I think it's extremely unlikely. You can't just assume physics will work conveniently for humans despite all indications otherwise. Our ignorance isn't really a good argument, we can only speculate based on what we know, which currently precludes any sort of practically useful extra solar travel.

It might not be convenient for humans, but that's also assuming our bodies stay the same forever, or we don't encounter another environmental pressure that forces humans to interact with the known universe in another way. That's basically what I hinted at when I said Robots have already bypassed the very same limitations you said affect Humans. All that matters is we keep this chain of progress going for future generations to take a hold of.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

AI and cryogenics are at least theoretically possible and these could aid in intrasolar colonization (which will always be incredibly limited by the reality of these environments) or in seed ships that will probably never have contact with Earth in a meaningful way again. They also aren't likely to get developed if the average IQ a hundred years from now is 20 points lower.

FTL travel (or even moving at fast enough relative speed to Earth and not getting exploded) is not possible without just making up new physics and tossing everything we have now out the window. It's by far the biggest magic trick in most scifi. I can't tell you absolutely it's not possible of course, but I think most people who assume this will just be a solved problem in the future misunderstand how incredibly integral relativity is at every level of physics. It's far more likely it's correct than not based on everything we know.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Hear me out, the solution to FTL travel will probably come in the form of particles.

I'm not a physicist, but if you ever looked inside a computer, you'll know that every piece of silicon sends information to each other at blazing fast speeds. Every year, this technology gets faster and faster until eventually we hit the quantum level. This is where the "sci-fi" stuff becomes real, because teleportation and other far out concepts get taken seriously in this realm.

https://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_summ.jsp?cntn_id=300854&org=NSF&from=news#:~:text=While%20human%20teleportation%20currently%20exists,than%20the%20transportation%20of%20matter.

Again, I don't deny that it's impossible to break the rules of physics. But the constant evolution of computers shows plenty of other cheat codes exist that can basically act like the same thing.

[–]AidsVictim69 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But the constant evolution of computers shows plenty of other cheat codes exist that can basically act like the same thing.

Not really. Quantum "teleportation" is something that's been understood and studied for 80 some years, this is just a mechanical implementation of the theory. There is no actual physical transfer of energy/information here nor does there exist even some theoretical way in which it could occur in any currently plausible model. It's not even directly useful for quantum computing (superposition is what makes quantum computers theoretically useful). The word quantum is thrown around a lot mystify things for public consumption and while it's interesting they can build a system sufficiently isolated to practically measure entanglement it doesn't actually represent anything new in physics. Rather than pushing the limits of physics into new realms, most research of the last ~30 years has been confirming and building consensus that the standard model/relativity are correct and occluding alternative theories to the point many physicists don't even know where to look anymore beyond just building more energetic colliders.

"Light speed" is a bit of a misnomer - it's more like the "speed of causality". Anything that breaks that gives you all kind of nonsensical results, such as time reversal or particles appearing at random intervals before they're created/emitted. In sci fi shows like star trek or star wars or whatever when ships travel faster than light it appears as if they're just moving very quickly - in the real world traveling like that couldn't even be modeled by physics as we understand it because it breaks so many conceits of reality baked into our models.

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll concede FTL is a topic I still need to read more about. If I come across new research, I'll definitely update my post with them.

[–]Jacinda 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anyone who appreciates space flight will probably enjoy this essay by Kathryn S. an author at Counter Currents:

Lovely, Dark, & Deep: The Farthest: Voyager in space

I’ve noticed something that seems on the surface like a paradox in New Right circles. A sizeable contingent has embraced a neo-paganism that reasserts an ancient European sensibility, perhaps romanticizing the agrarian and rural; another has expressed dedication to science or a desire for “cosmotheism,” a belief system that focuses on the evolution of a higher-order man, who will go on to conquer the stars. These are not irreconcilable worldviews but complements, akin to the dual sexes, that both spring from the same European soul. [Cont...]

[–]radicalcentristNational Centrism[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention. Even though public funded governments did a lot of heavy lifting, there also exists a modern renaissance with private companies getting into space. Elon Musk's SpaceX comes to mind, with even the ambitious goal of colonizing Mars (around or before the U.S government does?). Elon Musk is also noted for being the first man to claim foreign planets will be subject to his own laws. So even Libertarians believe in conquering Space as well.

https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/elon-musks-spacex-will-make-its-own-laws-on-mars-not-follow-universal-ones-3030056.html