Fertility rate decline, article form the BBC.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53409521

Relevant points from the article:

And 23 nations - including Spain and Japan - are expected to see their populations halve by 2100.

Italy is expected to see an equally dramatic population crash from 61 million to 28 million over the same timeframe.

Countries, including the UK, have used migration to boost their population and compensate for falling fertility rates.

"We will go from the period where it's a choice to open borders, or not, to frank competition for migrants, as there won't be enough," argues Prof Murray.

The population of sub-Saharan Africa is expected to treble in size to more than three billion people by 2100.

"Global recognition of the challenges around racism are going to be all the more critical if there are large numbers of people of African descent in many countries."

Prof Ibrahim Abubakar, University College London (UCL), said: "If these predictions are even half accurate, migration will become a necessity for all nations and not an option.

What's you opinion on this article, are these predictions correct?

Can predictions be made for how the world will be 80 years from today?

Can africa sustain a population 3 times higher than what it is today?

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[–][deleted] 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

What's you opinion on this article, are these predictions correct?

They are only correct if we continue to allow our people being ruled by neoliberals and Jews. The problem is not difficult if one has unilateral control of the state and industry.

  • Ban feminism, bachelor propaganda, LGTB propaganda, cultural marxism and anti-white narratives.

  • Give incentives to families to have kids like give a family a 100K loan that is automatically paid off if they have four kids.

  • Put out pro family propaganda like movies and advertisements that idealize the family.

  • Bring back no fault divorce, reform divorce courts and make marriage more favorable to men.

  • Incentives for stay at home moms like paying them to stay home.

  • Young single men and women can participate in government mixers.

  • Ban online hook up apps like Jewish apps such as Tinder.

  • Pay men more than women.

  • Ban birth control and porn.

  • Shame promiscuity and sexual liberation notions of sex.

  • Invest in automation in industry and bring back all essential industrial jobs.

  • Ban rent seeking and other unproductive jobs like speculation,insurance, etc.

  • Automate government paper pusher jobs, finance and service sector jobs.

  • Nationalize all the utilities, core resource industries and insurance. All types of insurance are handled by the government through an automated database.

  • Depopulation policies in third world over populated countries using eugenics and sterilization programs in exchange for foreign aid.

  • Anti hedonism propaganda and regulate the amount of leisurely consumption.

  • Expand the healthcare industry, price control on drugs and nationalize drug recipes.

[–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I would add

  • Mandatory military training every summer since kids are 6 or 7 years old.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I advocate for government run insurance because all public goods should be nationalized. Health insurance in the United States is incredibly awful because of their is a unholy alliance with big pharma companies and health insurance companies that inflates the cost of medical care. It is in the public interest to reduce the stress of the people and cost of medical care. People should not have to worry about a specific drug or medical procedure being covered or whether a child birth is fully covered by insurance ($10,000-$30,000). Even outside of health insurance, I think it is better if money used to cover insurance is in a non-profit fund instead of allowing capitalists to profit off the assumption something bad could happen in the future. The government still should assess risks when allowing people to enter a insurance agreement, but it should not be privatized.

    [–]TheJamesRocket 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Those are all very good points. There are a few more possibilitys:

    -Women should be discouraged from attending College. They have tons of promiscous sex in a judgement free environment, which ruins them as potential wives. College educated women also have higher expectations for men and their incomes.

    -Women must be taught to embrace their feminine nature from an early age. This means stopping the corporate 'girl power' propaganda, and re-instating home ec classes in schools.

    -Social media websites must be banned. It truly brings out the worst behaviour in women, and turns them into narcissistic attention whores.

    -Dating websites must be banned. It gives women an unrealistic sense of how attractive they are, and gives them higher expectations for men and their appearance.

    -People must be incentivised to move out of the crowded citys and live in the countryside. There is an inverse relationship between urbanisation and fertility.

    -Put an end to gender quotas that make it mandatory for companys to hire a certain number of women. Instead, companys should hire based on qualifications (which will give men a financial edge over women).

    [–]send_nasty_stuffNational Socialist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Ban rent seeking and other unproductive jobs like speculation,insurance, etc.

    That's a tough one to implement but I agree with you.

    [–]Salos10000 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    Why is population decline even a bad thing?Automation is set to replace millions of jobs. Our economies can adapt to a lower population just like it were decades ago.

    [–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    From the POV of the mainstream, it's tied to our ageing population. One issue is that the there will be less money to support the elderly through pensions, as there will be less working age people to contribute into the system through taxes and other ways. Then the shortages of labour in industries, many of which are far off from being automated under current trends, such as care, teaching or nursing will weaken the ability to provide those services. Maybe automation will reach a point where it can replace those industries, but for now it only seems to be slowly replacing menial labour, services and logistics. This means that the entire system of caring for older generations while their life expectancy rises is doomed to crash. This is one of many reasons in general (there are obviously others), that migration is promoted as they hope that the young of other, financially weaker countries will be enticed by the economic opportunities and living standards to fill up the missing workforce. This just leads to a self-perpetuating problem most of the time though. It's also why they try to higher the retirement age constantly, to keep people as contributors into the system for longer rather than retire and take funds from the system.

    There are of course other issues tied to population decline, such as demographic replacement, fertility, social pressures, etc.

    [–]Salos10000 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The elderly have suffered all throughout history.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Well, they live relatively well-off lives currently because of things like state pensions that fund the rest of their life so they are not suffering (at least far less) today. But the system was always unsustainable, especially as it was paired with modern social reform.

    The only other option I can think of would be to return the concept of extended families, which serve as non-governmental forms of social security, but I don't think this is viable as the modern price of commodities is too high and wages too low to support a nuclear family let alone extended and such a familial bond would need to major cultural changes to enable it to return.

    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    but for now it only seems to be slowly replacing menial labour, services and logistics.

    Worth noting, self driving cars will eliminate 20% of the work force if implemented absolutely (which won't happen, but even a fraction of 20% is a lot of ruined livelihoods).

    We're still being very reckless with importing third world labor all while phasing it out for automation.

    [–]Wrangel 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I agree, look at Europe on google maps pictures from above. There is so little nature left in continental Europe, much of Europe doesn't even have any large mammals left except for humans. The planet is turning into gigantic urban sprawl. It would be a great thing if we could reduce the population slowly and naturally and have a much greener future and a plenty of housing and work. The obsession with numbers comes from economists trying to pump the economy and from people who think we are in a breeding competition with Africa. We are not, we will never outreproduce Africa. We win by being better at civilization, not by filling the planet with even more humans.

    If anything it is an advantage if we have plenty of fresh water, plenty of farm land, lots of hydropower etc.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    The predictions are indeed correct, all major population experts have been predicting this for decades now. The population decline in the more developed world is due to both increased standard of living and socio-cultural changes brought about liberal globalization, while the continuing population growth is the natural state of things but is now being further increased as life expectancy increases.

    Yes, predictions can be made in 80 years. They may not be perfectly accurate, but they can be pretty close. Sometimes they can actually be worse.

    Under current circumstances, Africa will probably not be able to sustain such population growth, especially as the effects of climate change began to increasingly kick in, meaning that resources there will become even more limited and resource scarcity in the area will rise. We will potentially see in the future migration waves that would make the 2013-2015 migration wave look like nothing, entire towns, cities and even provinces will be displaced due to rising sea levels, soil erosion, desertification, rising temperatures making the already scorching African heat unbearable and the inevitable resource-caused conflicts.

    In regard to the issue of the aging populations of the West, without going into the mass migration route promoted by the article, we either have to option increase birth rates, implement automation or a mix of both systems to alleviate these issues. However, to rise the birth rates, Western cultures are going to have to give up many of the """""""""benefits""""""""" of liberalism that we """""""""enjoy""""""""" (especially women) to return to a state which would enable such a scenario. The automation idea relies on the speed of technological progress, if we get general/strong AI (this does not mean conscious but rather complex enough to do multiple tasks to a practical degree) which we are able to create advanced androids and robots than that would probably alleviate all the issues of old age care and other matters, but there will also be side-effects of potentially mass unemployment in a large or majority number of industries and governments would have to implement policies and programs to counter this (such as subsidized or free re-training programs, UBI, etc). Or you could just import large amounts of Sub-Saharan Africa to look after your elderly and do those other jobs that need filling, I'm sure I don't need to explain to people here why this would not be such a great idea.

    [–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    We will potentially see in the future migration waves that would make the 2013-2015 migration wave look like nothing

    The 2013/15 crisis was a disaster for the eu, and those numbers were tiny, I doubt that they'll allow tens of millions without a violent response from the population.

    [–][deleted] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    You'll also have to remember Europe will be facing its own issues, there'll be displacement within their own countries (especially the Netherlands) and things like flash flooding and potential new disasters from the warmer weather will become regular occurrences. This is alongside all the current problems Europe faces still being there. So while facing all these issues, vastly larger amounts of migrants will be attempting to get into European countries and I doubt they'll attempt to settle peacefully and respectfully. So your prediction is probably the likely occurrence (which is very unfortunate).

    [–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    So your prediction is probably the likely occurrence (which is very unfortunate).

    I would not define it an unfortunate occurance, it can be the event that will force our people to wake up and save our race.

    [–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    Magnify every problem brought to the EU by Pakis, Indians, and Middle Easterners by 1000 and that will be the result of the African surge. It will break global stability and unravel the entire world.

    Worship of the shekel is causing this: birthrates have plummeted because it isn't economically viable in the west to have children. To circumvent this, entrepreneurs and governments have advocated for a neo-indentured servitude to pay the bills. When everything collapses and they get the guillotines, no one will be there to defend them.

    [–]Jacinda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    It gets worse. There is a growing industry of banks giving out micro-loans to facilitate migration to the West.

    [–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    It will break global stability and unravel the entire world.

    The thing is, there is no way that europe will let tens if not hundreds millions of africans enter europe, the population will have the heads of the politicians on pikes before it happens.

    [–]DragonerneJesus is white 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    the population will have the heads of the politicians on pikes before it happens.

    No they wont.

    [–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    What makes you think that they won't? We are talking about hundreds of millions, do you understand the full scale of the crisis here? The population barely accepted the 2015 crisis and those were 2/3 millions, the incoming crisis will be on a totaly different scale.

    [–]Jacinda 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Luckily there will be billions of African immigrants to go around

    Can africa sustain a population 3 times higher than what it is today?

    If I recall sub-Saharan Africa's population is predicted to go to four billion or higher (not three billion) by the year 2100.

    Here, however, is the UN’s most high end projection for Africa: assume decreasing mortality due to improved health technologies and constant fertility, and the population of Africa exceeds 15,000,000,000 by century’s end.

    As the title to Steve Sailer's article suggests, they aren't going to stay in Africa. As soon as they get the opportunity they are going to emigrate. He's one of the few people reporting on this issue.

    Takimag:

    Africa on the Brink

    The governments of Europe are confronting an epochal choice in the Mediterranean. Do they allow Europe to remain on course toward inundation by the African population explosion, inevitably turning Florence into Ferguson and Barcelona into Baltimore?

    The conventional wisdom is that it’s unthinkable to stop the African tsunami. Veteran public radio correspondent Sylvia Poggioli assured gullible NPR listeners on Monday:

    This is a human tide that cannot be stopped,” she says. … Europeans have to start providing legal channels that will allow them to seek asylum here. This is a humanitarian crisis, says Mascena, that cannot be solved by use of force “€” or by leaving these desperate human beings bottled up in Africa and the Middle East.

    [–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    As the title to Steve Sailer's article suggests, they aren't going to stay in Africa. As soon as they get the opportunity they are going to emigrate. He's one of the few people reporting on this issue.

    The thing is that the 2013/15 crisis brought only 2/3 million, here we are talking about tens if not hundreds of millions, europe can barely sustain their own and I find it hard to believe that the population and the governments will let that happen, it's unsustainable and will cause some sort violent revolt.

    This is a human tide that cannot be stopped,” she says. … Europeans have to start providing legal channels that will allow them to seek asylum here. This is a humanitarian crisis, says Mascena, that cannot be solved by use of force “€”

    The woman is genuinely retarded, that tide can easily be stopped by the use of force, and there is no way europe will not use force to stop it, we are talking about hundreds of millions trying to enter and the population will not tolerate it.

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      [–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      It seems to me that the this incoming crisis will be the event that will force europe to fully shut down it's borders, the 2/3 millions in 2015 were a problem but we are tankingabout hundreds of millions now and neither the population nor the government will accept it.

      [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

      I predict that none of this is going to happen. the world in 2050 won't look like the globalist wet dream, it will look like Mad Max. Every single life support system on this planet is in dire straits and on the verge of total collapse. Anyone who thinks this planet can sustain 4 billion Africans is clinically insane. It can't even sustain the current growth paradigm.

      [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

      You think globalists don't know this and haven't planned in advance?

      [–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      What do you think their plans are?

      [–]casparvoneverecBig tiddy respecter 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Global government, technocratic police state, the whole world has been bred into various shades of mulattoes and is bereft of brains. This mass of brainless mulattoes will be ruled by a small clique of Jews who have remained pure/white. Perhaps a few Buttgoys like Rockefellers and Morgans will be allowed to tag along

      [–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      You think they'll be able to achieve it?

      [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      I've already pointed out to you that deifying elites is stupid.

      [–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

      The question is, in what state will our countries be in 2050?

      [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

      Crippled by civil wars for starters.

      [–]arainynightinskyrim[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      Only north america and wester europe or eastern europe too? Do you thibk we'll be able to win?

      [–]EthnocratArcheofuturist 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      The sooner it happens the bigger our chances of winning.