Girl, 17, who died at Utah 'therapeutic boarding school' Diamond Ranch had CURABLE disease 'ignored by staff who punished her for saying she was sick,' letting sepsis kill her, lawsuit says

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[–]Musky 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (8 children)

Looks like she was kind of a ho. https://i.imgur.com/GKbJnaZ.png

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Probably, can confirm there are many hoes at 'therapeutic' boarding schools. Death by sepsis seems a bit harsh of a therapy though. I can tell you from firsthand experience these are very bad places, and they need to be shut down. They have no oversight and regularly abuse children in their care, who have no recourse

[–]Musky 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

You've never been on the other side of it, having to deal with a problem child. This girl reminds me of my niece's friend that became a stripper, she was always running away and acting like a ho. We have gone searching for her along with the police many times when she was growing up. Now her family won't talk to her and she's a single mom of a black baby. I think everyone cut off ties from her. They were just sick of her shit. And you know how dismal her dating prospects are gonna be.

The kids are kinda fucked anyways, it's why extreme measures are needed.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, the kids who sent to these are often genuinely troubled, and yes interventions are needed. This particular 'solution' has proven itself problematic, mainly due to a complete lack of accountability. There are absolutely not adequate safeguards in place to prevent the rampant abuse that we know happens at these places

[–]Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Parents shouldn't be putting their kids in these things for minor issues (re: u/melodic_programmer) but when these institutions are really needed, what is called for is breaking down the will of the kid and rebuilding them if possible. It's a brutal process. An extreme measure of last resort. It's not going to work at all if traditional safeguards are in place -- because places with those safeguards have already failed.

I know, these things shouldn't exist in a perfect world, but hell, the Romans would just have dropped these kids off a cliff or left them in the wilderness.

Try to imagine having a kid who is abusive, violent, threatens your life, makes you hide all the steak knives and other potential weapons, causes a scene wherever you go, steals from you, damages your property and the property of others, gets you in legal trouble from their conduct in and out of school. And they're there all the goddamned time being a plague upon your family. 24/7 of this behavior for years. Decades. And it's not just you affected, it's everyone around them dealing with this shit. It ruins families because of one fucked up kid.

If there's a better way, I'm all for it, but what?

[–][deleted] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I know a guy who got sent to one of these places for smoking weed. His parents got sold a bill of goods about how it was a great Christian school, they had no idea how bad these schools are.

[–]IMissPorn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well murder is extreme, I'll give you that.

But I can think of people who deserve it more than some annoying brat.

[–]Musky 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

annoying brat

Parents who send their kids to these things cause they're annoying brats are shitty parents. There are problem children who are horrible little monsters fucking up everything around them. Kids who are dangerous. It really is a nightmare. My brother was one, he fractured our entire family. One little bastard messed up so many lives, it would have been better if he had died frankly, for everyone but him.

There's a documentary about it, I think this talks about it: https://www.npr.org/2018/05/06/608833599/the-struggle-of-finding-help-for-a-dangerous-son

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've seen both sides of it. Sometimes it truly is out of control insane kids that need intervention. Sometimes it's extremely strict parents that are obsessed with controlling their kid and can't handle the rebellion phase well. Sometimes it's just the kid has some undiagnosed mental health issue or some other unknown problem and the parents are just at their wits end.

Regardless of who is at fault which is irrelevant really, a lot of these camps are there waiting in the wings ready to woo desperate parents with a solution to their problems and make a quick buck off of them. They don't actually know how to fix the problems. They usually undergo some extremely strict regimen that "breaks the child's spirit" sorta like boot camp but not exactly. Problem is the people running the camps don't really know how to deal with mental health problems when those kids come in and they also don't care about the long term results of their programs since they are already paid. Things can go wrong spectacularly when things start to go off script so to speak.

Basically it was kind of how the gay camps work. Send the kid to camp, they throw a bunch of shit at the wall to try to fix the kid but none of it is really legit. Kid realizes that it's shit and they gotta pretend to not be gay to get out. Kid turns 18 and runs away from home into more vulnerable circumstances than they would have been in otherwise because they've lost any sort of trust relationship they may of had with their parents.

When you do it for the problematic behavior kids, you do run the risk of actually having psychotic or clinically insane kids there, along with all the narcissists and other types. It's a mess.

[–]IMissPorn 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

No sympathy for the family. You don't send a kid to a place like that unless you're trying to get rid of them. But I hope they win for every penny the "school" has all the same, because it needs to be shut down somehow.

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No sympathy for the family. You don't send a kid to a place like that unless you're trying to get rid of them.

This is certainly true sometimes, but not always. I was sent to one of these places as a teen. My parents were educated professionals who genuinely thought they were doing the right thing by putting their trust in 'experts'. I was medicated on SSRI's and ADHD drugs for the same reason. Upper-middle class parents who want to ensure their kids follow in their footsteps, consider themselves experts due to their education, and blindly trust this system of credentialism that they see as benevolent because it has rewarded them to some extent. There were other kids from families like this there, but also parents who just wanted an easy way to wipe their hands clean of problematic kids

But I hope they sue the school for every penny all the same, because it need to be shut down somehow.

So do I, these places abuse kids and get away with it because its easier than real therapy and have no oversight

[–]IMissPorn 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I guess I can believe that. But I've known about these hellholes for years... Kinda feel like anyone considering sending their kid to one ought to know better.

[–]Alienhunter 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People get into their bubbles and just won't ever come across the circles where people talk badly of these sorts of places, plus these kinds of parents are usually busy with work and life and tend to be susceptible to the marketing tactics. Especially if they're already susceptible to it due to stress from their kid.

It's harder to imagine now, I think the issues with drug use have become so widespread now almost none of us are really spared from the effects, but back when and still in places where drug use isn't so common there's definitely a kind of ignorant fear that some guy with a joint is going to go on a murder spree after his first time. If anything good from it comes it's that people might be a bit more sympathetic towards addiction and trying to fix the issues rather than simply demonizing the person. That said, put yourself in the position of straight edge parent the pre-internet era whose entire knowledge of drugs comes from school propoganda, you might freak out and fall for one of these in that position.