New Zealand has gone full police state. They are threatening up to TEN years in prison for even having the video saved on your computer.

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[–]HurricaneHank 32 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 0 fun33 insightful - 1 fun -  (31 children)

This heavy censorship is really distressing. It seems to be taking over the whole internet these days.

I don't believe there's some dark conspiracy behind this event, at least not more than basic human nature. I think these events are merely a convenient excuse for what almost every government has been wanting for a long time: to have increased control over the internet. China is leading the way, but western governments want a piece of that action too.

The internet was a wild west not long ago: anything went. If you didn't want to see something, that's great... just don't look. But there is a strong desire to get that horse back into the barn. That personal freedom ethos is under severe pressure now from multiple fronts. I can't even put all the blame at the feet of governments, because they are acting under pressure from their constituents to "clean up the web" and "make it safe". Then you have even more who demand the removal of anything which offends them.

This event is a tragedy on two fronts, IMO. First, because 50 innocent people were killed in cold blood by some racist shit, and second, because of the collateral damage it's doing to online freedom.

[–]useless_aether[S] 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

just don't look

goatse.cx was a great teacher o_O

[–]HurricaneHank 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Ha :) So far I've managed to escape ever seeing that! You have a good point though: it's not a good situation if people don't even have a chance to avoid content they'd rather not see. IMHO, it should be a function of both the culture of the area they are in (the site, the group on that site) and also up to the person themselves. It's nasty to see some shock content on a group about Python programming. (Unless you think Python IS shock content...) Still, this widespread scrubbing of content from the internet is disturbing. It is the Chinese model metastasizing into the rest of the net.

[–]useless_aether[S] 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

nsfl tags are simple. but once i posted the beheading video without one and an unsuspecting poor guy told me that three days later he is still feeling damaged. now i always try to remember.

yes, this is coming from china. i can only imagine what it will be like when they implement the fruits of the north korean social 'research' in the west.

[–]ButtBot69 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Would you pls link info on "the Chinese model"? NTS what it is.

[–]HurricaneHank 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I meant in the general sense of China heavily censoring the internet their citizens can see, and using things like the "Social Credit System" to punish bad behavior. They have a "Great Firewall" which they use to block off sites the party does not want people seeing, and that includes some really major things like wikipedia. It used to be easy to get around the blocks with a VPN, but now they're blocking VPNs too, and apparently using deep packet inspection. Not to mention, if you do this too much, your life may become uncomfortable.

Here's a few links if you are interested in how China is dealing with the internet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

https://www.nytimes.com/topic/destination/internet-censorship-in-china

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/27/17059916/china-censors-social-media-responses-abolish-presidential-terms

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/06/china-has-found-64-tiananman-related-terms-to-block-on-its-internet-today/372137/

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170330/04094837040/use-vpns-banned-completely-millions-people-chinese-authorities.shtml

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/chinese-government-social-credit-score-privacy-invasion

Warning: WaPo's site is cancer since the new EU regulations went into effect. I don't know if this link is still functional, but ->

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/chinas-scary-lesson-to-the-world-censoring-the-internet-works/2016/05/23/413afe78-fff3-11e5-8bb1-f124a43f84dc_story.html

Those are only the barest beginning! A little searching will turn up much more info. Over the last few years they are starting to wield an iron fist over what Chinese people are allowed to see, do, and say online. They've gone full Orwell.

[–]Jesus 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

The shooter loves China. It's the ideal state he says. How fitting. Yeah, I'm under the opinion that the shooter was helped by agencies .

[–]Tom_Bombadil 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

That's just another suspicious detail about how that all went down.

Not even the Chinese believe that it's an ideal state. It's so over the top that I struggle to accept that he wrote that. The message is beyond dichotomous.

I'm suspending judgment on his alleged political views until we can hear him state them during an interview; assuming he isn't targeted before that can happen.

[–]GOOSE 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The message is beyond dichotomous.

If you read the entire manifesto, it's full of contradictions and crafted statements. I firmly believe that the manifesto was written by the attacker, alone, and that he wrote it purposely to troll and cause as many problems as possible in the aftermath.

I don't think there's some big conspiracy or any crazy shit, it's just this guy wanted to troll almost everyone.

alleged political views

actually, this part of the manifesto was pretty clear, he's an ethno-nationalist and eco-fascist. There's not really much doubt about this. What's annoying is how poorly the media report on it attributing ridiculous motives and other desires when it's literally written down for them.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

If you read the entire manifesto, it's full of contradictions and crafted statements.

So, you're suggesting that these contradictions should be ignored?

[–]GOOSE 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, but you can see through the sarcasm, the memes, the jokes, and ignore those - which form most of the contradictions.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not so sure. Hopefully we'll learn the truth during his trial.

[–]Jesus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Targeted or in on it in kangaroo court appearances.

[–]ABC 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

What makes you think that?

[–]Jesus 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

In his 77 page manifesto. He says he is a Christian and all Christians are his brothers, yet the perfect nationstate for him is China. A country that persecutes Christians.

[–]Troll 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

A lot of what he wrote was straight-up trolling. Spyro the Dragon 3 turned him into an ethnonationalist? He should have said Skyrim, though.

[–]Jesus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Yeah, when it came to the memes yes. But not entirely, as he does make it clear that the nationalist idealogy of the Chinese, despite on the surface communist and the state itself is ideal to his ideaology. Plus, he was a former communist. Nevertheless, the manifesto probably had help and was written in the perfect way to divide people. It benefits the NZ government and the divide and conquer principle. He made it a little to obvious what his agenda really was.

[–]Troll 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I think these things are indisputable:

1) He was concerned with demographic replacement of the West.

2) He had a particular disliking for Islam.

3) He had a trollish sense of humor (Spyro the Dragon, "subscribe to pewdiepie," citing Candace Owens).

4) He was far-right.

I think the mentioning of the Chinese was mostly to stir the pot, while agreeing with China being mostly ethnically homogeneous. I doubt he cared about other things such as social scores, communism, and whatnot.

As for him being a former communist, well, that was likely when he was younger and that's what the propaganda wants people to be.

I doubt he really had much help with the manifesto -- it wasn't amazingly written. The Unabomber's Manifesto was far more hard-hitting. It's not hard to be far-right and see what motivates the left, a simple conversation with leftists will do the trick.

His motivations were primarily accelerationist and to provoke the left into being more tyrannical. For example, Fabian socialism advocated for incrementalism to avoid upsetting people. His goals were to counter the slow trickle of the leftist utopia that leftists use via brainwashing, social engineering, and censorship. It's like putting the frog into water and having it jump out only when the water's temperature changes too quickly for it to notice.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Or that is the intended narrative.
New Zealand was the only 5 eyes country that hadn't been attacked by a radical demographic.

The motivation seems completely manufactured.

[–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Wait…

Isn't New Zealand a target of Chinese social engineering?

Hmm…

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah. This isn't surprising either. However, the Chinese aren't known for their mass shooting tactics.

Israel is the main purveyor of this style of terrorism.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Or the state and him are in on it, he had help.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Seems suspicious.
I saw that post you have about the arresting cops were training for this type of an event, at the time of the shooting.

This specific coincidence seems to happen over and over again...

[–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, the timeline makes no sense. I have a recent post about it.

[–]isthisreddit 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

read his manifesto, that's what that asshead wanted. He also did this to make the right and left wing of the u.s fight eachother...

[–]HurricaneHank 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed, that's part of what he said he was after. And the internet censors are playing right into his hand.

[–]Johnytheanarchist 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you have a link to the manifesto? I’ve been trying to find it but all I can scrounge up is news articles

[–]thug 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who's manifesto?

[–]happysmash27 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Perhaps I should look at it closer. I didn't get to that part, because the only reason I downloaded it in the first place was the Streisand effect.

[–]NeiX 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Online freedom is more important than any tragedy. ISIS and other terrorists show their barbarism all the time online and I hardly ever hear a peep from the mainstream media. Censorship is wrong and if someone doesn't want to see or hear something, then don't view/hear it.

[–]RatFink 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Especially considering that everyone SHOULD be watching the video. It would cause meaningful conversation on gun control.