NZ Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said following the NZ incident that "the country’s gun laws will have to change."

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[–]Jesus 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Half the US population has some sort of mental illness. The mentally ill in general DO NOT have a higher propsensity to commit gun violence. There is, however, a correlation between gun violence, drug violence/use, and poverty.

The idea in many of these mass shootings espeically the US PSYOP ones is to push both the anti-gun control narrative whilst the right pushes for red flag laws, dissident laws, baker act laws (mental hygine laws) and any other law giving power to the police. The government wants to deem anyone who questions government pre-packaged narratives to be considered a harm to themselves or mentally ill. Dissident laws will come in teh US down the road. The media is already pushing stories about how conspiracy theorists are criminals.

You can NOT make the broad generalization that mentally ill people are the reason for gun violence (not that you have). It is just not the case; SSRI's that's a different story in iitself.

I know people who CAN NOT obtain a gun because they checked into a mental hospital 20 years ago. In their teenage years for anxiety, which everyone has some form of anxiety. In many states they are indefinately not allowed to purchase a gun even though they can prove they are mentally compenent.

During Obama, his admin signed a rule that made veterans who had trouble with finances and needed a guardians help criminals. They were considered criminals in the NICS system. Even teh ACLU was outraged by this rule.

No matter what, the government and states will keep passing laws to make it harder to obtain a gun. They Will use the mental health argument because that accounts for nearly half the US population.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

The mentally ill in general DO NOT have a higher propsensity to commit gun violence.

I agree with that. But I also agree with that statement that almost everyone who goes on mass shootings is definitely mentally ill.

You can NOT make the broad generalization that mentally ill people are the reason for gun violence

I completely agree, the mental ill need no more negative stigma, they need help or to be left alone, usually. And there is a lot of abuse of the Baker Act on people who don't deserve it as well as political dissidents, couldn't agree more.

No matter what, the government and states will keep passing laws to make it harder to obtain a gun.

That does happen, but some states have loosened open carry-laws in some states in recent years. It's not entirely a one-way street. But it's obvious there is a big anti-gun push on the large scale.

[–]Jesus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, I'm under the belief that most high profile mass shootings in the US are either PSYOPs or conducted by operatives, not lone wolves with mental health problems... with no motives to boot too. Like in the Sandy Hook case; Adam 'no motive' Lanza, who most likely didn't exist to begin with and who is an echo of Ryan Lanza. No internet presence, though, he supossedly played video games non-stop, and Ryan is only seen in public domain records AFTER Adams records and whereabouts had disappeared. Plus, the fact that there's no records of the Lanza's purchasing the firearms used at the alleged shooting, even though the media stated their was, to the obscene, ridiculous notion that a 6'1 112lb slenderman could shoot a gun with that kill ratio and pass three schools in the process. The motive is obvious, it benefits the state departments agenda but that's another story for a different time.

There are a few shootings in the US that are legitemate and done by mentally ill subjects with no motive other than being mentally ill but with such a small percentage, to scoop up all those with mental health problems and place them in a category label with not only real mass shooters but also criminals in the NICS system is not only dangerous but deters their ability to ask and seek out mental health professionals for the sole reason their rights could be infringed on.

And yes, it is not a one way street. Though, the long term goal for many is citizen confiscation of firearms and the further militarization of police and passing of dissident laws. The constitution doesn't even apply to us anymore in their minds at least because the NDAA legally supersedes some aspects of it via the donestic declaration of war and the broaf definition of beligerants. And yes, our country is legally a declared warzone and can be bombed, if need be.

So, yes. Their are a few good reps left that work hard to codify the constitution into law, that work hard to sanctify and follow it always, but it needs not apply to the well placed scum at the top. The very same ones who call for disarmament.