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[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I'm not him but I KNOW they are by far the most dangerous vaccines ever 'approved', for various reasons.

Absolutely wrong.

The most dangerous vaccine ever approved is probably... vaccinia. The smallpox vaccine. The vaccine from which the word "vaccine" is derived.

At least 8 out of 100,000 people who get the smallpox vaccine suffer serious complications, and many of them die.

That's why most people don't get smallpox vaccinations anymore. Even though smallpox kills one out of three people it infects. Because we think 8 in 100K is too high.

The rate of serious complications with the current crop of vaccines is no more than half of that - 3.7 per 100K suffer some kind of myocarditis, and about 11 per million suffer anaphylaxis.

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Aw hunny...

Skipping over the numbers argument, as you strike me as someone unable to understand an URF, can you name, say 5, reasons why the Fauci Flu injectables are so dangerous?

You know, to show me you have at least SOME clue about the other side of the argument?

Mm?

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Most of the other side of the argument is FUD, man. It's what people do when things are new. They get scared by the newness. "Okay, a laser fixed your vision for now, but what if in twenty years, your eyeballs just fall out?" You know how many times I fucking heard that in the '90s? And yet here I am, with 20/20 vision, decades later.

Yes, inducing the spike protein carries a small risk of myocarditis. It's similar to the risk that when I hit "play," I'll draw a straight flush and remember to hold all five cards. Has that happened? Sure. Would I bet all my money on it? Well, yes. That's pretty much how I've lived my life.

And also, they're openly acknowledging the risk of myocarditis, which runs pretty contrary to the narrative that this is all a big conspiracy to (((something))).

Anyway, I know how I die. The rum takes me down. I turn yellow and I die shitting blood into the sheets. The vaccine? It gave me a sore shoulder for two days, and then the next two times I caught the coronavirus, it was way, way more mild than the first time. The first time, I could barely breathe.

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

So no, you have no clue.

Perhaps you should get one?

Oh look, published today - https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/another-young-athlete-collapses-and

This stuff is available every day, for those willing to wake the fuck up.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Yeah, man, there are five and a half billion vaccinated people. Of course there's a story about one of them dying from the vaccine every day.

And every single day, as I'm sure you're aware, there are about 150,000 deaths.

Human minds are really, really bad at scale. We can read nine news stories about the same thing and conclude that a problem is rampant because we keep reading story after story after story about it.

We're generally incapable of mentally dividing nine by 7,888,000,000.

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

And you're incapable of reading apparently.

I'm guessing that as well as not understanding the concept of an URF, you also think that that early-warning system put in place due to the harms of previous vaccines is now irrelevant as it screams red alert with wailing sirens and red flashing lights, cos reasons n shit?

Be aware you're currently talking to someone who suffered a transient stroke and heart issues from the Safe n Effective shit that hasn't stopped me getting covid twice since.

Lemme tell you something about having a bad injury from a vaccine - it goes from everyone around you being a dumbass like you and claiming no harm, to a whole bunch of people telling you their own injury or that of their friends, co-workers and family. Within a week of my stroke I heard of 4 serious injuries and 2 deaths in my own neighborhood, so shove your condescending ignorant attitude up your equally ignorant ass.

[–]Hematomato 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Well, you've got your personal experience and I've got mine.

Apparently in your neighborhood, you've got five serious injuries and two deaths.

In my social circle, I've got dozens upon dozens of people who have had two to five shots without a single adverse effect other than a day of shoulder pain.

So what's going on here? Possible explanations include:

  • We got completely different shots with completely different ingredients, somehow;

  • There's a staggeringly unlikely mathematical coincidence in play;

  • You're older than me and your people are more inclined to assign any and all illness to the vaccine, even if it's unrelated;

  • The people I know are simply stronger and better than the people you know.

Those are the only four I can really think of. Which one do you think it is?

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I think it's a combo of the effect like when you buy a new black Hilux, then see black Hilux trucks all over the fucking place, combined with the depressingly common, incredibly stupid but all-too-predictable way in which humans shy away from difficult, controversial topics.

Once I openly told people of my injury, the exact same people who never said a single fucking word about injuries suddenly started telling me about theirs or those of people they knew.

Let's get back to your ignorance, for it's a terrible thing. You seemed unable to rise to my challenge to name 5 ways in which these vaccines are harmful and/or more harmful than normal vaccines?

Are you still that ignorant with no real research at all, other than perhaps lamestream media, or have you actually looked into anything?

See, I was reluctant from the start, having read up on reasons why a coronavirus might be dangerous, by looking at previous attempts. Just that, alone, would tell you why these things are dangerous. There are REASONS previous attempts at coronavirus vaccines were halted.

OK, I'll explain - 2 strongly related but slightly different things, and a 3rd thing...

OAS - original antigenic sin, a quaint old term for a known problem with certain types of vaccines, such as those for coronaviruses. In short, if you hammer your immune system with one specific virus it develops a fixation on that one type and cannot respond properly to new variants - and coronaviruses are famous for spewing new variants rapidly. Imprinting your immune system on one specific strain is suicidal - and exactly what they did.

ADE - Antigen Enhancement of Disease. Very similar in effect to OAS (being vaxxed makes you more vulnerable) but with a different mechanism, the gist of which I understand but not well enough to explain it. Again, this was well-known in advance as a risk and a reason to not even try to experiment with coronavirus vaccines - but they did anyway, didn't they?

"But it never happened!" I hear you squeak, showing you're ignorant that even official figures, fake as they are, let slip that 'efficacy' slides down to NEGATIVE figures.

What about PEG, a substance used, that we already know around 20% of people are FUCKING ALLERGIC TO, but hey, fuck em, use PEG anyway? And that's what they did.

And what was that, LNP? Yeah, liquid nanoparticles. First developed to get drugs into places normal drugs can't get, such as past the blood/brain barrier and a bunch of similar barriers in the body. That's LITERALLY WHAT THAT SHIT IS FOR, but they told you the injection shit would just stay in your arm, huh? Yeah, yeah they did, don't fucking lie or gaslight, they repeatedly claimed that, and censored those warning it wouldn't stay in the arm.

And it didn't; almost immediately a Japanese study actually tried marking the LNP and spike proteins and then looking where they ended up? FUCKING EVERYWHERE, especially concentrating in the testes, ovaries and liver. By the way, are you aware of all the countries facing crazy big drops in their birth rates, the women with vaginal bleeding even after menopause and all that? Yeah of course you are, the BBC told you, right? Right?

Shall I go on?

I mean we could cover the furin cleavage site, and how it was patented by Moderna before the pandemic... but hey, them contaminants eh?

You DO know all about the plasmid contaminants, right? You know, the ones that cause... nobody fucking knows, cos there are so many, with so many variations, but for sure they'll cause a wide variety of autoimmune diseases and cancers, maybe fuck fertility...

Talking of autoimmune diseases, many warned that getting your own cells to produce spikes and then your immune system attacks those cells is a perfect recipe for autoimmune diseases, and that's what we're seeing.

Should I continue? There's plenty more, if you actually follow this stuff there's new revelations every fucking month for the last 2 years.

They are, by far, the most toxic and harmful medical fuckup in history, with some estimates saying 17 million killed and countless others injured around the world.

Was it really worth it, considering Pfizer stock is already back down to pre-pandemic levels?

[–]Hematomato 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I think it's a combo of the effect like when you buy a new black Hilux, then see black Hilux trucks all over the fucking place, combined with the depressingly common, incredibly stupid but all-too-predictable way in which humans shy away from difficult, controversial topics.

If my friends and family were driving new black Hilux trucks, I might not notice unless I bought myself a new black Hilux truck myself. If my friends and family were falling down dead or ending up in ICUs, there's absolutely no question I'd notice.

OAS - original antigenic sin

This concept has been studied, of course, specifically within the context of COVID-19 vaccines. Here's a study from January, coming out of Rockefeller university:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-05715-3.pdf

The results are complicated - as biology almost always is - but the bottom line is that the shorter the antigenic distance from one strain to another, the less likely the immune system will produce brand new strain-specific antibodies.

This is a feature of both infection and vaccination, it's something to be taken into account when improving vaccines, but it is far from the hyperbolic "suicidal" label you stick on it.

ADE - Antigen Enhancement of Disease. Very similar in effect to OAS (being vaxxed makes you more vulnerable) but with a different mechanism, the gist of which I understand but not well enough to explain it.

ADE actually stands for "Antibody-Dependent Enhancement," and while it's certainly been seen in recalled vaccines for measles and dengue fever, we don't seem to be seeing it in the COVID vaccines.

It's always a concern in any virus, and it's not a concern anyone is blind to. Here's a concern being raised about how, under very specific circumstances, perhaps these mRNA vaccines could lead to ADE:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-19993-w.pdf

But it's the large population data, that conclusively shows that the vast majority of vaccinated people get less severe illness from infection, not more, that makes it impossible that ADE is anything more than an extreme exception to the rule - if it's happening at all with these particular vaccines.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9008265/pdf/ccdcw-4-14-293.pdf

What about PEG, a substance used, that we already know around 20% of people are FUCKING ALLERGIC TO

Polyethylene glycol? It's the active ingredient in MiraLAX. People have been taking it since 1859.

Do allergic reactions exist? Sure. But the rate of fatal allergic reactions to the COVID vaccines are about 11 patients per one million.

And what was that, LNP? Yeah, liquid nanoparticles

Yeah, that's what makes mRNA therapy work. If you just injected mRNA directly into the blood, it would never reach the ribosomes and it'd just swiftly get broken down by the liver and kidneys and end up in your urine, having done nothing whatsoever.

I've got another three-letter acronym for you: FUD. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Because that's what these antivaxx sites are selling you. They're naming well-known, centuries-old challenges of immunology and presenting to you like they're brand new information, unique to mRNA therapy. And then they're just panicking about mRNA therapy itself.

You know, I know about half a dozen people who have had strokes - all before 2019, before either the coronavirus or any of its vaccines existed. Most of them were elderly. But one was a 38 year old psychiatrist, who turned out to have had a small undiagnosed heart defect since birth.

You got a vaccine, and later, you had a stroke. How do you know the former was causal of the latter? How are you sure this isn't just post hoc, ergo propter hoc logic?

[–]Bigs 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Dude, I appreciate you've made some effort, but you're following the wrong path here.

You skipped over the VAERS thing, the system designed to spot a safety signal with new vaccines, which is screaming its fucking head off, even though there's evidence of deletions as well as the difficulties with reporting and the 10X minimum URF.

Tell me again about how that's nothing to worry about because the only system we have to spot safety signals is actually shit and incapable of it's job, so we can ignoring the massive flashing red safety signal?

Tell me that one again, cos that's my fucking favorite, right there?

Oh, oh, let's not forget the other one, the other ACTIVE reporting system, that reported so fucking high they quickly shut the system down.

But anyway, we both know I'm writing for others really, as your mind is already fixed.

You also skipped over the contamination issue. You might find this interesting then:

https://umbrellanews.com.au/health/2023/10/contamination-in-mrna-shots-serious-regulatory-oversight/