This War Wasn't Just Provoked — It Was Provoked Deliberately. The US intelligence cartel was fully aware that the US was taking actions ensuring that that would happen. Off ramp after off ramp was sped past by the US war machine at a hundred miles an hour on its beeline toward a horrific proxy war.

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[–]cunninglingus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Any evidence?

Absolutely not.

It's just clickbait

[–]Chipit[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There are a ton of links to primary sources backing up the text. But I guess you're just here to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt and to convince people not to click.

When they're trying to convince you not to click? Definitely click.

[–]cunninglingus 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

links to primary sources backing up the text.

Unreliable sources

Your and her support of Putin's propaganda and genocide of Ukrainians - with these baseless claims - is revolting.

[–]Chipit[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

You mean like the link to NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg’s surprising refutation of a year and a half of empire propaganda by openly admitting that NATO expansion provoked the invasion of Ukraine and acknowledging that NATO powers rejected Moscow’s proposed compromises which could have averted the war?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GED33Xkaqcw

Remember folks, when you're told not to do click - always click.

[–]Site_rly_sux 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a ninety minute long video. Is there any specific point in the video that you feel backs up your point?

It wouldn't even be evidence anyway, because the secretary general of NATO is not a job that decides when or why russia goes to war. Putin didn't just record long videos for you, back in Feb 22, he also wrote long ass essays "on the brotherly relationship" or whatever. Putin explained exactly why he was going to war: he said it's because Peter's Rossiya empire doesn't make any logical sense without Ruthenia.

He said "If you want decommunisation then let's go all the way, no half measures" remember how he recorded a video of himself saying that and then uploaded it to the internet and then invaded Ukraine.

It's because russia / Z / Putin / Dugin has his own view of history. You're not capturing it correctly when you just say "durr it's about NATO". There's also the biolabs, the supersoldiers, the crucified children, the banderamobiles driving around the cities, a whole host of ruthenian issues that you aren't capturing.

You should pay more attention to Putin who explained it a lot better than Jens

Why is chipit linking you to NATO and not the direct word of president Vladimirovic himself? Is it because chipit is a psyop? People ought to ask themselves

[–]cunninglingus 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One opinion by one person is not evidence, at all.

[–]SoCo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There were many public statements from US officials about preparing Ukraine for an offense, several times, back in like 2019 and 2017. They were planning for a 2020 offensive, but I think Trump being elected threw their plans off a bit.

Yet, everyone should remember very well that Ukraine hasn't stopped attacking Eastern Ukraine since 2014. The war is really with Russian speaking Ukrainians who rejected the legitimacy of the US/UN installed interim president, followed by, Zelensky, chose from the US/UN hand "vetted" candidates, while the US/UN ran the election, after most of the other candidates were jailed or ran off and their political parties banned.

It kind of pissed Russia off when Zelensky increased his offensive against Russian heritage Ukrainians. Russia felt it was genocide and went to Geneva, trying to play by the rules, but they laughed him out of the place and the US/EU media reported mocking Russia for it, like it was a joke.

[–]binaryblob 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

With the enormous amount of land and resources, Russia could have been the richest country in the world with the most modern technology, but instead it's a shithole.

I think the reason Russia invaded was just because they thought they could (and who knows, perhaps they might still win) and replicate their actions in other countries.

The problem with that line of reasoning is that Russia is painting a massive "kick me"-sign on their country for the next few hundred years, because the world keeps count. Shorting the entire world is kind of a bad idea.

If you want to have long term success as a state, either you conquer the entire planet in a year or you don't attack at all. Geopolitics isn't like it was thousands of years ago. For every smaller state in the world, there is now an incentive to fund the war against the big bully.

The only scenario in which this war makes sense, is if Putin is in fact a spy for the US with the goal being to reduce Russia or Putin just has the brain of a taxi driver.

I hope we get the real reason for the war someday, because a three day war with perfect war plans and execution could have made some sense as a show of power, but the columns of military hardware stuck on roads is something the world is never going to forget. It will be remembered as a bunch of fucking morons that went to war. The Germans at least were remembered for being skilled at war at the beginning of WW2.

What were they thinking?