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[–]YoMamma 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

You can easily search for that information, if it's not already obvious. There is an extensive cold war history to this. Read up. If you want weapons and personnel comparisons, see:

https://bestdiplomats.org/nato-vs-russia-military-comparison/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293174/nato-russia-military-comparison/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Don't know anything about the first two, like who are the people who make it up, who funds them, etc. because that's relevant and what you would be pointing out if I was throwing Russian sources out here. As for Wikipedia - LOL. But all that aside, plopping down some links and saying "you can easily search for that information" is pretty lame; you don't seem able to articulate your argument in your own words, your previous talking points notwithstanding. So I gotta tell ya, I'm having a difficult time taking you at all seriously.

One of my primary sources for military analysis is Col. Douglas Macgregor, retired US Army and a military historian. Part 3 of his 3-part discussion with Michael Vlahos, who has taught at the Military War College since the 80s, has been summarized here and includes links to summaries to Part 1 and Part 2. These discussions are from a year or so ago so they don't address Macron's proposal, but they do address what Gen. Petreus was talking up at the time. What follows is a small taste of what's at the link:

Obviously, we're not thinking intelligently about it or we would not even consider something as utterly crazy as the "coalition of the willing" - unless the coalition is close to a million men and consists of a very different composition from the forces we have today.

In Part 2 they discuss the strategic failures of NATO. This part is especially relevant to the current discussion:

Americans need to understand that there is no command structure with all the assets (Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance, Reconnaissance or C4ISR), that is European, it's all American. Anything that happens militarily in Europe is of necessity American, because if you take that backbone away, no one can replace it. US dominance was so great that European militaries began to slough off the things that made them credible as militaries.

He gives what many, including me, consider a clear-eyed assessment of current US military power and it's not a pretty picture. The danger is that those who want to use our military all over the world have this unrealistic vision locked into our military strength in the mid-20th century which has no bearing to today's reality. I can think of few things stupider than underestimating your enemy while overestimating yourself, but that seems to be what we're doing, with our European and other allies tagging along behind like the compliant vassals they are.

[–]YoMamma 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

OK - thanks for the counter argument - but none of this explains how Russia would beat an adversary that has five times the military capacity. Other countries would have to help Russia, and for that to potentially happen, and those countries would have to forego their trade relationships with NATO countries. Not going to happen, over a relatively minor part of territory in Ukraine. Everyone expects Russia and NATO countries to play the long game, to string out the offensive timeline in Ukraine. Various military industrial complexes benefit from this, while China gets cheap food, and India gets cheap oil. Everyone, except the Ukrainians are getting a piece of the war machine pie. It makes no sense to escalate tensions. If Russia were to do that, they would be isolated and defeated, unless China and/or India stupidly helped Russia. The other problem is nuclear bomb and missile responses, which would be devastating for everyone involved, and incredibly stupid.

[–]sdl5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Your own source guts your argument-

Did you not actually read and note the sources and dates?

Even then Ru was at parity, perhaps better on the ground.

And THAT data was a year ago, long before Ru spooling up mil production OR the mass blowing up of NATO ground equipment.

And of course there is this key point: Since your premise includes ALL of US mil involved it thus forces a nuclear strike war. Which even the rabid neocons are hesitant to trigger

[–]YoMamma 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Your own source guts your argument-

Nothing wrong with my sources. Nor can you prove that there's anything wrong with them.

Did you not actually read and note the sources and dates?

Not an issue, obviously.

Even then Ru was at parity, perhaps better on the ground.

LOL - in which fucking universe?

And THAT data was a year ago, long before Ru spooling up mil production OR the mass blowing up of NATO ground equipment.

Also ridiculous. All countries have had similar production and replacement schedules. Russia's also lost quite a bit in the Ukraine war.

And of course there is this key point: Since your premise includes ALL of US mil involved it thus forces a nuclear strike war. Which even the rabid neocons are hesitant to trigger

Not an issue. Perhaps re-read my statement. And if you want to discuss nuclear war, everyone knows all sides would lose, but Russia would be especially at a loss. No one wants that.

[–]sdl5 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Whew.

Incredible.

I hope you are getting paid to be writing such blatant bullshit and denial of reality- even as multiple US aligned nations and peeps corroborate exactly what we are all saying AND your own source details in the Notes you clearly never even glanced at.

But you do you, slay queen, yas girl you go! and whatever else you need to feel you won here 💁