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[–]bucetao6969Im a guest here. Do not take my opinion as of a community member 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Is it only in the UK? Or other places?

[–]stickdog[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Most places haven't been releasing these data.

[–]bucetao6969Im a guest here. Do not take my opinion as of a community member 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

wdym releasing? Isn't it something a private corporation has to do?

[–]hfxB0oyA 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

This is my question too. I know that the vaccines in Canada (Mostly Pfizer & Moderna) have been subject to official warnings from public health that it can cause myo- and peri-carditis in younger males. The UK mostly used the Oxford-Astrazeneca vaccine which a bunch of countries banned. But is it mainly this, or is it that there's more transparency in reporting in the UK than in other countries?

[–]bucetao6969Im a guest here. Do not take my opinion as of a community member 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The UK mostly used the Oxford-Astrazeneca vaccine which a bunch of countries banned.

That would make the situation less worse. I mean if this vaccine is the source of a lot of problems, means the other countries are less endangered.

It does shock me though. Why the hell would a country like the fucking UK allow this vaccine that every other country banned?

[–]hfxB0oyA 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

if this vaccine is the source of a lot of problems, means the other countries are less endangered

That's what I hope, because got a few (non O-A) shots before I started asking questions. I honestly don't know though. Canada hasn't been exactly forthcoming with our data.

Why the hell would a country like the fucking UK allow this vaccine that every other country banned?

I think the other countries started banning it after a lot of scary data started coming out of the UK, where most of the population were already given that shot.

[–]bucetao6969Im a guest here. Do not take my opinion as of a community member 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think the other countries started banning it after a lot of scary data started coming out of the UK, where most of the population were already given that shot.

That makes sense.

It also makes me a bit more hopeful and drives off some of my internal conspiracy theories. I'm reasoning that most of the deaths due to vaccines are due to just government incompetence or because we live in a world without true free speech. Now with twitter under Elon, if we had another pandemic it would be way easier to handle.

Don't get me wrong... the fear was justified, and I think the people that suggested the lockdowns had at least a good mindset.

But it's very dystopic how some people just wanna forget the lockdown and the pandemic ever happened. The biggest social media platforms seem to have a problem allowing us to discuss it. It actually made so I for a moment plus a lot of family members did forget about it. It went on for almost 2 years!

[–]hfxB0oyA 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I generally subscribe to Hanlon's razor, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." It makes no sense to me that a shadowy government overclass would want to kill its citizenry, especially at a time where birth rates are declining and governments are encouraging record immigration to make up for the deficit. A knee jerk response based on fear and an overconfidence that technology can dig us out of any problem seems a better explanation all around. However, now that the shots have been given with almost zero testing and complications are showing up in the largest phase 1 trial of a treatment ever given, I fully believe that the same panicked bureaucrats are fully onboard to participate in a coordinated conspiracy to suppress the truth about harmful data. After all, when your stock price can go into freefall, erasing millions of people's pensions, when trust is erased in the people who were supposed to protect you, and when the prospect of jail time or worse looms over the people who were trying to fix the problem, those are very powerful motivators to try hard to force the public to forget the whole thing.

[–]bucetao6969Im a guest here. Do not take my opinion as of a community member 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A knee jerk response based on fear and an overconfidence that technology can dig us out of any problem seems a better explanation all around

Ehhh. Most people that had a problem with the vaccine was due to how fast the vaccine was created. I think they would be more OK with it if the vaccines were more mature.

I also believe we got too safe after the 21st century. People thought pandemics, wars, famine and such were a thing of the past. I'm glad the first generation that had the modern technologies was the one to be proven wrong. I think we'll be more prepared for the next ones.

Covid and ukraine was a good training exercise, simply put. I would say it's the less worse of the scenarios: covid closed a few businesses and mostly killed old people. Ukraine was in Europe away from most people in the west and other places. It also showed the Dems true colours.

However, now that the shots have been given with almost zero testing and complications are showing up in the largest phase 1 trial of a treatment ever given, I fully believe that the same panicked bureaucrats are fully onboard to participate in a coordinated conspiracy to suppress the truth about harmful data.

It's not gonna work with Twitter under Elon.

That's why his father said he was a dangerous man.

[–]stickdog[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Excerpt:

What was initially an observation is now measurable: young people, in the prime of their lives, are dying at unprecedented rates. Ed Dowd, a former BlackRock portfolio manager and data analyst, has highlighted a concerning surge in cardiovascular deaths in the UK — and the numbers are alarming.

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The Data

Dowd’s opening slide from his team’s cardiovascular report illustrated adjusted cardiovascular death rates for people aged 15 to 44 in England and Wales. From 2010 to 2019, cardiovascular deaths in this age cohort declined in England and Wales, dropping 20% from 10 to 8 deaths per 100,000. However, this once-declining trend has now reversed the other way.

In 2020, there were about 2,000 cardiovascular deaths in people aged 15 to 44, 200 more than the 2015 to 2019 average. But after the rollout of the COVID-19 vaccine in 2021, there were about 2300 cardiovascular deaths (500 more than the 2015 to 2019 average). And in 2022, 2,500 people aged 15 to 44 died from cardiovascular reasons (700 more than the 2015 to 2019 average).”

Excess Deaths

Dowd's next slides focused on excess deaths from cardiovascular disease in the 15 to 44 age group. Excess death rates from cardiovascular diseases rose by about 13% in 2020. But in 2021, after widespread vaccination, cardiovascular deaths soared 30% in 2021 and about 44% in 2022.

These numbers are what Dowd calls a “black swan event.” The excess mortality from cardiovascular deaths in 2021 and 2022 are highly abnormal, with Z-scores (standard deviations) of 7.5 and 10.5, respectively.

A three-standard deviation has a 0.3% chance of happening. But five-standard deviations and above have less than a 0.00001% chance of happening.

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