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[–]BerryBoy1969It's not red vs. blue - It's capital vs. you 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Now you have to decide whether it is more important to hand the US an embarrassing public defeat, and maybe risk them escalating to nukes, or whether it is better to quietly end the conflict, save hundreds of thousands of lives, and put the genii back in the bottle.

We have no say in what's important, or not. Those decisions are made by our government's owners, and they couldn't care less about saving hundreds of thousands of lives that aren't their own. Whether or not they're in close enough contact with reality to understand that they won't have time to flee to their super secure survival bunkers, and most of them will perish along with the hoi polloi they show so much contempt for, remains to be seen.

At this point in my life, our owners have given me no reason to believe their rationality extends one nanometer beyond their immediate wants and needs. Humanity is merely an inconvenient conglomeration of useless dependents to them, that need to be culled, and the worthy, properly managed.

[–]spindz[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So basically this plan won't work because our leaders are insane suicidal psychopaths who don't listen to us? This may very well be true. Still I think this covert exit ramp idea is at least worth discussing, maybe someone with a spark of sanity may come across it.

While we look on, here's a blast radius plotting tool to play with: https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=800&lat=40.7306&lng=-73.9866&hob_opt=2&hob_psi=5&hob_ft=9511&casualties=1&ff=50&psi=20,5,1&zm=10