A sure-fire can't-fail US exit ramp from Ukraine

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[–]BerryBoy1969It's not red vs. blue - It's capital vs. you 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The problem with the West, and the U.S. in particular, is the fact that it no longer has any face to save in an increasingly multi polar world. The fact that it has it's ass hanging out for the world to see in Ukraine, is just a symptom of the psychopathy of the ultra rich, who hide behind the governments run by the weak and corrupt whores they bought to do their bidding.

They've created a clusterfuck of weak and incompetent managers, failing upwards all along, to the point where it's raining idiots from the high places logic would normally dictate be inhabited by competent, qualified, knowledgeable people.

If there's any off ramp to be had in Ukraine, Russia will designate what exit the U.S. and it's Europoodles are authorized to use, and the time it will be available for their use.

The whole mess is sometimes explained as a result of a miscalculation by the western élites. The situation, however, is far worse than that: The sheer dysfunctionality and the prevalence of institutional entropy is so obvious that there is little need to say more.

The dysfunction of the West runs far deeper than just the situation around the Ukraine project. It is absolutely everywhere. Public and private institutions, especially those of the state, find it difficult to get anything done; government policies resemble hastily drawn-up wish lists, which everyone knows will have little practical effects. That is why policymakers have a new priority: ‘not losing control of the narrative’.

Hartmut Rosa’s ‘line’: Frenetic standstill seems particularly apt.

Will people weep for the West? No …

[–]spindz[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I should have been more explicit with the details of this evil plan. It allows the US to save face. Now you have to decide whether it is more important to hand the US an embarrassing public defeat, and maybe risk them escalating to nukes, or whether it is better to quietly end the conflict, save hundreds of thousands of lives, and put the genii back in the bottle. To me its a simple calculation.

[–]BerryBoy1969It's not red vs. blue - It's capital vs. you 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Now you have to decide whether it is more important to hand the US an embarrassing public defeat, and maybe risk them escalating to nukes, or whether it is better to quietly end the conflict, save hundreds of thousands of lives, and put the genii back in the bottle.

We have no say in what's important, or not. Those decisions are made by our government's owners, and they couldn't care less about saving hundreds of thousands of lives that aren't their own. Whether or not they're in close enough contact with reality to understand that they won't have time to flee to their super secure survival bunkers, and most of them will perish along with the hoi polloi they show so much contempt for, remains to be seen.

At this point in my life, our owners have given me no reason to believe their rationality extends one nanometer beyond their immediate wants and needs. Humanity is merely an inconvenient conglomeration of useless dependents to them, that need to be culled, and the worthy, properly managed.

[–]spindz[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So basically this plan won't work because our leaders are insane suicidal psychopaths who don't listen to us? This may very well be true. Still I think this covert exit ramp idea is at least worth discussing, maybe someone with a spark of sanity may come across it.

While we look on, here's a blast radius plotting tool to play with: https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=800&lat=40.7306&lng=-73.9866&hob_opt=2&hob_psi=5&hob_ft=9511&casualties=1&ff=50&psi=20,5,1&zm=10