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[–]unagisongsBurn down Reddit! 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

If a part time game show host and full time con artist can illicit an assassination from the oligarchy their fragility will be laid bare for all to see. The illusion of a functioning republic will shatter. No one will be able to claim we are a free people. We are watching the machine grind to halt in real time.

[–]Orochiwe don't need no water let the mother[honk] burn 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm surprised it wasn't already plain enough for a lot of people to see. Trump beat all 20-something Republican bozos including Jeb Bush (please clap) and despite the entire system throwing their weight behind Hillary while screaming about Trump being a groupie fondling conman that would become the next Hitler, he beat her too. The drama of the 1/6 "Insurrection" carefully distracts from how that day started as the Stop the Steal protest questioning the election results favoring Biden, and meanwhile, these geriatric ghouls falling apart on camera haven't demonstrated an ability to serve the public better, deal with COVID which was used to try and kneecap the populists in '20's election, or even to manage foreign policy any more intelligently. Plus after all this time the establishment has no one they can run against Trump, Democrat or Republican. Trump, worst of the worst, literal Hitler and Satan surging with the dark power of Putin's mind sorcery, and his supporters are more stoked about bringing him back than anyone else's supporters are about anything.

[–]3andfro 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm surprised it wasn't already plain enough for a lot of people to see.

My thought as well. But the conditioning of politics as us/them (good/evil), Team Blue v. Team Red, is long and strong.

[–]kingsmegLiberté, égalité, fraternité 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Look, they protested them. They called him names. He won anyway. They impeached him twice on ridiculous pretenses. They fabricated a lot about what happened on January 6 in order to impeach him again. It didn’t work. He came back, and then they indicted him. It didn’t work. He became more popular. Then they indicted him three more times, and every single time, his popularity rose.

They're confusing the public's loathing for themselves for popularity for Trump. Every time they ratchet up the lawfare and patently unfair and political attacks on Trump, they remind people why they hate the people doing this to Trump, and this translates into 'support' for Trump. It's not. It's a measure of how much the deep state is loathed.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't think that's it totally. Richard Barris (pollster) shows that between 2020 and now there has been like a 30-35 point increase in support for Trump among black and Latino working class voters, males in particular, who are Millenials, GenXers and Zoomers. Older minorities, particularly those with college degrees or working in professional fields, still overwhelmingly support Joe Biden; where it really breaks down is by age and socioeconomic status.

[–]kingsmegLiberté, égalité, fraternité 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, people who are doing well, or even just OK, under the status quo will mostly be anti-Trump, because they want to protect what they have, even if they're just hanging on by their fingernails.

It's the people who aren't surviving who are 'supporting Trump', and it's my contention that they're not really supporting Trump, they're against the status quo and the people responsible for the status quo. So when the status quo deep state acts to remove a challenge to themselves, that reminds those people why they hate the status quo and everyone behind it. It doesn't make Trump himself more appealing to anyone.

[–]BerryBoy1969It's not red vs. blue - It's capital vs. you 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

They're confusing the public's loathing for themselves for popularity for Trump. Every time they ratchet up the lawfare and patently unfair and political attacks on Trump, they remind people why they hate the people doing this to Trump, and this translates into 'support' for Trump. It's not. It's a measure of how much the deep state is loathed.

Per Fred, and he's not the only person to feel the way he does:

I despise Trump. He is a mean-spirited son of a bitch. His licking the boots of those revolting pseudo-Cubans in Miami and increasing sanctions, utterly unjustified, on Havana, are grounds enough for putting him behind bars. Trying to starve thirty million Venezuelans into giving up control of their oil, trying to assassinate Maduro are grounds for rehabilitating the guillotine. Beginning a cold war against China and driving a growing crop of countries into alliance against America gives new meaning to “stupidity.” This is Trump. I wouldn’t use him for dog food. I like my dog.

But: He isn’t Biden. He has my vote.

~snip~

But none of this is why I or half the country, will vote for Trump. Columnists talk about politics because they have to talk about something. The reason for the potential electoral explosion is much deeper, a nauseated, murderous, loathing for Washington and everything it is, does, and wants. a revulsion too deep to be expressed sometimes even among friends, a feeling that if someone blew up the Capitol with both houses in joint session, and exterminated the whole nest of bloodsuckers, we might get our country back. It would at least be worth trying.

Also, this guy.

And more...

Just because the Circle D Corporation acts like the gang that couldn't shoot straight, doesn't mean they are, and they're not going to convince me that they don't know exactly what they're doing in dividing the population the way they are.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is from a lifelong Democrat who said she's voting for Trump in 2024:

The first thing people will say to me is "Stop lying, you were always a Trump supporter, you've just finally unmasked yourself." They probably believe that's true, it certainly makes it easier for them to sleep at night, knowing their monstrous, unforgivable behavior was justified in their minds.

I was with them when they protested Trump's win in 2016. I was with them when we marched in protest throughout Trump's presidency. I was with them all the way up to the election in 2020, when I saw for the first time the threat the New Left posed to our formerly free country.

I live in California, so my vote hardly matters. It's more symbolic to say that I do not consent to my government or my tax dollars being used this way. I do not consent to a partisan, weaponized DOJ. I do not consent to show trials or performative indictments or a two-tiered justice system, and I certainly don't consent to mugshots of former presidents. It weakens our standing in the world, it makes us look small, it makes us look insane, it makes us look corrupt.

Trump must prevail because otherwise they've shown us there will be no end to any of it. Once they're done with Trump they'll move on to the next threat. More power for them means less freedom for us in our lives, online, in our culture. They will never stop on their own, they have to be stopped.

From a clip, Doug Wilson speaking:

The administrative state—aka the deep state, aka the swamp...is an unconstitutional and illegal aggrandizement of political power in agencies that have no justification for their use of power over us other than the fact that they have it, and that to date no one has been willing to take it from them. The pretense is that these are delegated powers, but this is all just part of the charade. The three lawful branches of government don’t have the authority to delegate the things they were appointed to do, and still less do they have the right to delegate tasks that nobody ever authorized anybody to do.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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I missed that. That's fantastic 😄 I enjoyed this one in particular.

[–]unagisongsBurn down Reddit! 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I had not considered voting for Trump until I saw how many trials they have lined up for him this year. The spite vote is a strong vote.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Tucker also says they're not going to do covid again, and he'd bet his house they'll start a hot war with Russia before the next election.

[–]risistill me 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

On edit. Trump is an exception, so the post below is not completely correct.

No US president has been voted out of office while the US was at war, ever in US history. I cannot help but suspect that this is the reason we are now always at war and also why anti-Communist Russia propaganda--of which there was a vast, vast amount--has been recycled into plain ole anti-Russia propaganda.

I've probably never mentioned this (/s), but US politicians are pyschopaths. I'm guessing all politicians everywhere, but I'll stick to those I observe most.

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No US president has been voted out of office while the US was at war, ever in US history.

The war in Afghanistan is a counterexample.

Technically, the Korean war is in a state of armistice: hostilities have been suspended but a lasting peace is yet to be negotiated.

[–]risistill me 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you mean Trump? As of February 2020, he had a deal for US withdrawal from Afghanistan by March 2021. But, yes, that could be an exception if hostilities continued despite that. And anyway, we were at war in various other places under the WOT AUMF of perpetual war. Maybe it's Trump that's the exception, rather than the Afghanistan War? Either way, my bad. I apologize.

AFAIK, the Korean Police Action was never officially a war.

Due to the existential threat of the red menace from our WWII ally (/s), Truman felt free to ignore the requirements of the US Constitution as to both Korea and Vietnam.

(Substantial edit on the Afghanistan/Trump part of this post.)