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[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

It is noteworthy how this post [from Chris Winters, Senior Editor at YES! Magazine] unwittingly demonstrates how much Trump lives rent-free in many Democrats’ heads. There is nothing here about what voters want, least of all their material needs. It’s all reduced to the tunnel vision of the strategy of getting Trump in court.

Not to mention that it shows how delusional Democrats are:

Prosecuting (and convicting) Trump won’t change the minds of his loyal base, and it may indeed push some of them over the edge. But it will show that the rest of the nation is willing to live up to its principles.

There's no principles involved, you schmuck, it's blatant abuse of power of the sort we sneer at when other countries do it - unless they do it at our behest (cf. Imran Khan).

[–]RandomCollection[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The Democrats are doing this because they don't have any confidence in their poor choice of a candidate, Biden, and his ability to win a fair election in 2024.

[–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They are also very threatened by West and Trump stealing folks from the plantation.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's the delusional self-righteousness that irks me more than anything, like talking about "saving democracy" when they're actively destroying it. Or maybe it's just stupidity, using words they don't understand. Like Jack Clooney, former FBI, said when Bush was lying us into the Iraq war, "Not everyone understands the fine points of democracy but everyone, everywhere, understands hypocrisy."

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I found the following comment noteworthy because it sums up one of the weirdest aspects of this whole business. Honestly, I thought the Democrats would be far more successful at this, because how could there not be a billion serious and obvious crimes in any billionaire's past?

 

Why can't they put him away?

 

Ed S.

August 25, 2023 at 9:16 pm

To amplify your comment, Donald Trump has to be one of the most investigated individuals in the history of the US. And for all of the accusations made by his political opponents, and the tens of millions (hundreds??) spent, there are literally no crimes – certainly nothing that a non-rabidly partisan US citizen would consider criminal. Russiagate – nothing. Tax returns – nothing. Congressional investigations – nothing. Media investigations – nothing. You’d think that they would have found an unpaid parking ticket or unreturned library book. But as far as I can tell – it’s all a big fat zero.

Of the two “impeachments”, one was over a telephone call inquiring about the Bidens’ antics in Ukraine (of which we know much more from Hunter’s laptop and the ongoing House oversight investigation); the second was over the riot on January 6. Both utterly partisan and political.

Of the four current indictments (and to your point), there’s no “there” there. The only way that, for example, the NY / Bragg indictment gets any public traction is to construe it as a tawdry and possibly illegal payment to Stormy Daniels (as the article calls it, “paying off a porn star to cover up an affair”). In reality, and as mentioned at NC previously, there’s nothing illegal about paying an individual to sign a non-disclosure agreement to maintain confidentiality about a matter that isn’t illegal. So the case is really about whether the payments were properly accounted for in the books and records. Assigning the payments to the wrong account is criminal? Jail time for a book-keeping error?

You’d think that with all of the investigating, someone would have found something. But Lawfare isn’t about truth and justice; it’s about destroying the enemy. By any means. Few individuals except Donald Trump could afford to defend themselves against the onslaught of charges. What was the number mentioned a few days ago? $25 million? $42 million? Rudy Giuliani appears to be going bankrupt.

I can’t be the only person who thinks that whenever there’s an anti-Trump screed, it’s nothing more than half-baked fabrications. In the article above, the author says, “53% approve of the indictments”. If you actually look at the survey, there’s no question about approval of indictments. There is a question about the classified documents case and 53% of respondents believe that having the docs was illegal. And that 53% is before looking at the composition of respondents and the phrasing of the question. Even when the facts generally support the contention being made, they have to be recast to appear much worse that they actually are.

You don’t have to be a Trump partisan to believe that the path being taken to prevent him running is insane.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

It is an outstanding comment and totally nails it. The key point is as you said, why haven't they found an actual crime they can legitimately indict him on after the microscopic scrutiny they've subjected him to? The flimsiness and manufactured nature of the indictments, and before that the orchestrated fabrication known as Russiagate, shows who the real lawbreakers are here and even people who don't support Trump are wising up to that fact.

It seems like some of these prosecutors and judges think their cotton candy indictments actually have substance (speaking of the rise of the ignorant and arrogant throughout our institutions), but a byproduct for many of them is that it ties up his money and his time during campaign season. What they don't get is that for his supporters these trials ARE his campaign in the most fundamental sense. Which practically guarantees we'll be back in lockdown by the time the election rolls around because they'll have figured it out by then and will need to pull another 2020 to get the result they want.

[–]unagisongsBurn down Reddit! 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Democrats are trying at a bare minimum to drain Trump's war chest so that he cannot campaign effectively. Combine that with constantly pulling him off the campaign trail to disrupt the momentum of the campaign. They did this to lesser extent with Bernie by pulling him back to D.C. during critical moments in the 2020 campaign.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I'd forgotten that part about Bernie's 2020 campaign.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I saw a couple of Fox screengrabs somewhere which really made it obvious:

Trump court dates vs primary schedule

Biden scandal developments followed by Trump indictments

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Glad Fox put those out there, that's no coincidence.

[–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I think it is astounding that Trump is less dirty than your run of the mill Democrat. I suspect that even they were surprised by it.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly, I can't imagine a single Democrat who could withstand that level of scrutiny without something turning up and even Bernie was targeted because of his wife's involvement with that college real estate transaction.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was something about kickbacks relating to some PR firm as well, but I don't remember the details.

[–]Super_Soviet_Gundam 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And we're getting another scamdemic so they can rig the election again.

[–]RandomCollection[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

https://archive.ph/O5WD7

The Democrats always were delusional if they thought that this would stop Trump from running.