@jvgraz: "I love Cornel West. Cornel West is one of my heroes. Cornel West isn't going to save us. / I agree with a lot of what RFK Jr says. RFK Jr isn't going to save us. / The only people who can save us is us. Stop waiting around for someone else to do our job."

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[–]rondeuce40DC Is Wakanda For Assholes 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Let's do a thought experiment and say that Cornel West or RFK Jr. were elected president. What could one reasonably expect them to accomplish with having to get legislation through Congress? That's at least another 300+ people that need to be disposed of and replaced with unbought people to get those policies through. We absolutely need to make whatever changes we can locally and within our communities.

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The only people who can save us is us. Stop waiting around for someone else to do our job.

The problem is that without organization and leadership, how are we going to save "us"? So instead people try to save themselves and their loved ones the best they can.

[–]ageingrockstar 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

Politics and politicians are not a vector for 'being saved' in the collective West. I would argue that Putin did save Russia from its very dire circumstances in the 90s but, in the West, our electoral and governmental systems have become too completely gamed and 'owned' that it is now virtually impossible for any 'salvation' politicians to gain power. The best we can hope for is candidates who speak against the narrative on some issues (e.g. RFK Jr, who speaks against the covid madness but still speaks in support of the Apartheid Israel madness) and for freak, disruptive politicians like Trump, who upset or retard the Deep State's agendas somewhat (the Deep State had probably been planning to go to war against Ukraine after the 2016 election) but who are definitely not going to save us either.

Salvation lies outside politics in the West (and I personally see some very promising undercurrents that can help save us but they will force change on the political world, and not come from it).

[–]3andfro 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Salvation lies outside politics in the West (and I personally see some very promising undercurrents that can help save us but they will force change on the political world, and not come from it).

I'd be interested in a post on your thoughts about this.

[–]ageingrockstar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Placeholder to give you a proper reply

[–]3andfro 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Please consider making a stand-alone post on the topic.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

I would argue that Putin did save Russia from its very dire circumstances in the 90s

This fact gets far less appreciation than it should. Given the economic devastation and plummeting morale he faced, Putin's accomplishments were little short of miraculous. I'm aware of only two statesmen I'd mention in the same breath: Viktor Orban defending Hungary from the depredations of the EU and Soros NGOs, and Nayib Bukele cleaning up El Salvador.

It's really pretty offensive when Western politicians yap about President Putin being a "thug." Look little Marco, get back to me when you've done anything remotely comparable for our country.

[–]rondeuce40DC Is Wakanda For Assholes 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Putin has over 70% support among the Russian population. Imagine how much different the US would be if we had a country where 70% of the people supported the president.

[–]ageingrockstar 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Very much agree with you on Orban & Bukele; two politicians who have stood up to the West and shown themselves to be politicians of real stature such as we no longer have anywhere in the West.

And I was sceptical of him at first but I would add Xi Jinping as having real stature too.

Perhaps AMLO, president of Mexico too? Haven't followed him that closely, so not so confident to make a call on him, but I have seen him taking quite an independent and well founded stance on some important matters too (e.g. the criminal persecution of Assange).

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

AMLO is all over the place. Sometimes he takes a stance I agree with on a particular issue, but ultimately he's an open borders globalist and therefore a creature of the WEF.

He's also been accused of being in league with the cartels (I mean, to a greater degree than every Mexican politician) but I don't know how true that is.

I want to believe that if he were, he wouldn't be stupid enough to make statements like this, but betting against the stupidity of a politician is never safe.

[–]ageingrockstar 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Ok, cheers for that info. So maybe just playing a political game then in taking the right stance on some things. I admit to having very little knowledge of Mexico and Mexican politics so wasn't in a position to make a good call on him.

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I don't know anything about Mexico either apart from what LEO friends have told me, but just reasoning from first principles, I know I'd feel humiliated both personally and with regard to my office as the national leader if my citizens were more willing to endure the tender mercies of the cartels than spend one more day under my rule. I would be utterly ashamed of my country. AMLO poses as a leftist, but how can he be on the side of the workers if his best answer to them is "go somewhere else?"

Every president of Mexico does this. Are they all terrified of the cartels? Are they all paid off by entrenched interests? Are they being bribed by US corporations with their insatiable appetite for ever-cheaper labor? I don't know, but I do know that if I were the president of Mexico, I'd be working my tail off to try to make my people happy to stay. I wouldn't be attacking foreign politicians for objecting to turning my citizens into their citizens.

[–]ageingrockstar 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

To be fair, being the leader of a country directly bordering the USA must make being 'your own man' (or woman) incredibly tough. Look how fucked up Canada has got (albeit in different ways) and what a clown Trudeau is. So yeah, perhaps Mexico is an unlikely place to find a political leader of real stature, at least for the time being. Too close to the centre of chaos in the world. (But that makes what Bukele has achieved, not that much further away, even more impressive.)

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

what Bukele has achieved

With zero help from us - in fact, in the face of our indefensible opposition.

But I suppose the shameful treatment of everyone south¹ of us is a hallowed tradition. Violated, like so many others, by that awful Trump...

 

¹or north, or west, or east, really

[–]3andfro 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Here's what two coastal pillars of MSM say about Bukele:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/09/12/the-rise-of-nayib-bukele-el-salvadors-authoritarian-president

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-05-16/nayib-bukele-the-most-popular-president-in-the-world-is-a-man-with-one-ideology-power

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2023-07-25/growing-cult-of-nayib-bukele

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Naturally. Meanwhile, another neolib outlet has to grudgingly admit he's more popular than the Pope.

 

he's saving lives 😱

the horror!! 😭

[–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

𝕏ohnny 𝕏raz

@jvgraz

Right-wing working class are far more receptive to revolutionary ideas than comfortable PMC libs. They may be less open to socialism, but their populism and anti-totalitarianism is easy to connect with.

Plus they have all the guns. 😈

[–]BerryBoy1969It's not red vs. blue - It's capital vs. you 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Somebody was trying to tell us it was up to us back in 2016. The sad truth is that most of US! have been trained and conditioned to believe that one of our owners parties will deliver our salvation, if only we vote for the right candidate our owners have selected for us to elect.

Time and again they spit in our faces, and time and again we line up to save our owners demockracy from the people, by voting for one of the two parties we're told we can't win without.

Every. Fucking. Time...

[–]kingsmegLiberté, égalité, fraternité 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The only people who can save us is us. Stop waiting around for someone else to do our job.

F ck, I don't even own a pitchfork.