It is time for America to declare its independence from the CIA

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[–]IAmMurderingNazis 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

CIA rules. Glory to Ukraine.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

For all of you want-to-be spies out there, let me remind you of one simple fact—the CIA sucks at human intelligence, especially when it comes to Russia.

There's a reason for that. Nearly everything that has emerged from Anglo modernity - from the Enclosure, to financialized capitalism, to what is (hopefully) its final form, LGBTQCIA+, all have one thing in common: they are anti-humanity. As long as they serve this force that sacrifices all in the name of maximizing financial leverage they will never succeed in recruiting actual human beings.

[–]YoMamma 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

Essentially a plug for RFK Jr, and for Scott Ritter, who still wants to be relevant. If RFK can win the DNC nomination, great. If not, he'll draw votes away from electable candidates.

CIA criticisms are straw dogs. Anyone can cherry pick items that seem to point to CIA overreach. And most of us know virtually nothing about the CIA's actual activities. Easy target. I also hate that kind of non-Democratic agency. But also familiarize yourself with the US Intelligence Community, in which the CIA is an ineluctable, inexpugnable, irrefragable unit. All powerful countries have these intelligence units. Kill one, another will rise. If RFK Jr and his followers want to be taken seriously, they'll need to understand realpolitik stratagies.

[–]Centaurea 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

If RFK can win the DNC nomination, great.

"Winning" the DNC nomination. What a quaint notion.

[–]YoMamma 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

It's noted in a chapter of your high school civics book

[–]Centaurea 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's noted in a chapter of your high school civics book

The presidential nomination process was mentioned in my high school civics book, back in the late 1960s. That was around the time of the infamous 1968 Dem National Convention, during which Chicago's Finest (at the behest of Dem mayor Richard Daley) bashed the heads of anti-war protesters, right outside the convention hall.

My civics textbook unfortunately did not mention the massive corruption with which the two main political parties operate. And since the DNC's method of bypassing the voters' choice -- namely, the Superdelegates -- wasn't created until the 1980s, my high school civics textbook didn't mention that either.

But hey, what am I going to believe? My 1960s civics book, or my own lying eyes, which have seen a lot during the past 50 years?

[–]YoMamma 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Do you have any criticisms of the GOP? Did you vote for Trump?

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    [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    What, precisely, do you hope to gain by bringing the GOP and Trump into this discussion at this point?

     

    This

    [–]3andfro 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Civics, to understand the obligations of citizens and government to each other? That was dropped from our kids' curriculum years before they reached high school.

    [–]YoMamma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    2 problems:

    Civics is still partially available: https://www.quora.com/Are-civics-still-being-taught-in-school

    Sadly, this supposedly killed it (TIL): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act

    [–]3andfro 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Our youngest went through public school a couple of years ahead of NCLB, but still had nothing called "civics" and precious little formal education about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the social contract. We amended that, shall we call it oversight? She's now a skeptical young adult who questions and researches.

    [–]shatabee5 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    That's a nice bootlicker comment...

    And most of us know virtually nothing about the CIA's actual activities

    We know so little because their criminal activities are deliberately hidden to keep them extrajudicial.

    Just as there is regulatory capture, there's also "intelligence community" capture by the fucking oligarchs.

    The CIA does not help the American people. It sucks up a lot of our taxpayer dollars though. They are not the good guys.

    [–]YoMamma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    That's a nice bootlicker comment...

    Rather rude of you, and then you note points that you cannot support with evidence. You also misread what I've written as a form of approval.

    [–]shatabee5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The good ol' 'citations please' shitlib argument. Along with the 'we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas' surrender.

    Oh, and one more, I apologize for not being 'civil'.

    [–]YoMamma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    shitlib argument.

    Also quite rude. Many here ask for evidence.

    [–]InumaGaming Socialist 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

    Or maybe it's the fact that we do Deep State analysis because that's an organ that has done plenty to countries with their own agenda

    And why should we learn realpolitik when those are the ways of Henry Kissinger, who usually missed a step or two, as they destroyed Cambodia or Vietnam for his agenda?

    [–]YoMamma 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

    why should we learn realpolitik

    We should understand it because it's still used.

    Kissinger is a war criminal and should always be remembered as one, and for drawing the US into Israel's disasterous geopolitics that continues to destabilize several countries. You have to understand evil in order to deal with it.

    [–]InumaGaming Socialist 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    All fine and dandy but that wasn't the point of the article which was a deep critique of how the CIA has lost agents and compromised integrity of those in the field trying stunts that don't work and trying to maintain relevancy when they've lost all their skills.

    [–]YoMamma 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Fair point - though regarding CIA - for all of its abuses - it is nonetheless so deeply embedded in the US Intelligence Community that a US President won't have any significant impact on it. That would require a substantial Congressional bill, after which other intelligence agencies would take its place. This is the realpolitic problem of dealing with the CIA and Pentagon.

    [–]Centaurea 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

    a US President won't have any significant impact on it.

    We know what happened to the last US President who tried.

    [–]YoMamma 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Not really

    [–]InumaGaming Socialist 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    They each are factions and their growth has been out of control since Truman but it's not impossible.

    The FBI grew as the fantasy of J. Hoover and needs to be tamped down and reigned in by the Department of Justice.

    We should re- look at the Churchill Committee on Assassinations and really get on all of them honestly.

    [–]risistill me 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    It is time for America to declare its independence from the CIA

    As if the rest of the US government doesn't love the CIA?

    [–]shatabee5 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    They can go too.

    [–]unagisongsBurn down Reddit! 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    They are literally the oligarchy's guard dogs/secret police. It's what they were designed and built to do. If they were literally an intelligence agency of any consequences they would have been put down for not aggressively protecting the oligarchy.

    [–]RandomCollection[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    https://archive.is/6eDbY

    The CIA can surely be described as a very malicious actor. It's aggressive actions are harming, not helping the US.