DNC to New Hampshire: "Drop dead"

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[–]risistill me 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

So why bother with the primaries at all?

The DNC isn't sponsoring debates or primaries this go round.

[–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

How will they pick down-ticket candidates?

[–]risistill me 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The deck is stacked top to bottom. Example: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/richard-neal-defeats-alex-morse-democratic-primary_n_5f4ec694c5b6fea87461bae3 (a descendant of FDR was in charge of torpedoing Morse)

I don't know if the DNC chooses mayors and sheriffs. Maybe that's for the state parties.

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    [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Personally, I'm thinking "dibs."

    The "plenty go go around, one per person" approach. With a bit of "we don't have to compete with each other" peer pressure toward anyone trying for a position already promised to someone else.

    You've never seen one of those "one person per office" primary ballots?
    Hell, I've seen plenty of mostly "one person per office" General Election ballots.
    Including "County [whatever] Board -- choose three of these two."

    OTOH, this may be the time for all of us to select a minor city, county or State elected office, and run for that office as a Democrat, just to see what happens....

    [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    I knew about the lack of debates but wondered about whether any states would or could cancel Dem primaries. Do you know? If they can, I bet they'll do it or try to in California where I live. Newsome is a total suck-up to the Biden administration, he's a very ambitious fellow.

    [–]risistill me 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    I don't know.

    I've always thought it extremely unjust that primaries are paid for with tax dollars, but the parties get to set the rules for them.

    [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    This is one of the (many) reasons I found the DNC's line of defense in the 2017 Beck lawsuit so astonishing. I mean, shouldn't every state be able to sue for all the overtime paid to public employees like sanitation workers and police officers, loss of tax revenue from businesses impacted by traffic congestion, every second- and third-order effect imaginable?

    A statewide primary isn't a joke. There are enormous costs to the public. And you admit it was all a farce, and nothing happens?

    But hey, I guess that's democracy, folks. Sure sounds like a great thing to kill and die for, doesn't it?

    [–]risistill me 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Democrats did not admit it was all a farce. They argued that, as a private association, they were allowed to do certain things without judicial intervention. That is the law of "private associations," with probably well over a century of precedents.

    Why that law developed is obvious: courts did not want their calendars clogged with disputes between and among members of a club, charitable organization or whatever, that people join voluntarily and can leave if they're butt hurt over something or other. Meanwhile criminals sitting in prison or out on bail have a Constitutional right to a speedy trial.

    However, in this case, the "club", the DNC had violated its own charter and was not exactly totally private, given that the nominee runs for POTUS and primaries are held at public expense

    However, the court did not need to decide any of that because the Becks screwed the pooch on the standing issue. That is suing in federal court 101--plaintiffs must have standing to sue. And they blew it.

    Therefore, the court had to dismiss the case for lack of standing. It made no decision on any other issue briefed by plaintiffs or defendants.

    BTW, the Becks no longer practice law. I have no idea why.

    [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The Becks' professional deficits aside, I bet 99% of primary voters didn't know the DNC isn't obliged to consider their votes, and 99% of 2024 primary voters still won't.

    edit: well, if there is a 2024 primary.

    [–]risistill me 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    No one knows if the DNC is or isn't obliged because no court has yet had to decide that issue. As my post said, there is a lot of "private association" precedent, but there are also strong arguments to say that a Democrat primary is different from typical private association activities.

    There will be a primary. The states will hold it, sponsored or not. However, all primaries should be open primaries.

    People should start working on their state legislatures to that end NOW, especially the most restrictive and large states, like New York and California.

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      [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Ah, the sweet stench of demockracy.

      [–]unagisongsBurn down Reddit! 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

      Good. Regime change starts at home.

      [–]Centaurea 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

      This is subverting the will of the American people.

      The DNC doesn't give a damn about the will of the American people, nor about our wellbeing.

      In the past, I've referred to the Dem party as a "mafia" organization, but the actual Cosa Nostra at least has principles they follow, and a certain sense of integrity, screwed up though they may be. The Dem machine has no principles. They are rotten to the core. The Mob lets you know up front who they are and what they want. The DNC lies, cheats, and propagandizes, while gaslighting their base into believing they're "the good guys".

      For 40+ years, the Dem party has trained its base into a sense of learned helplessness. "We would do all these wonderful things, but the mean old Repubs Bernie Bros Trump Putin Joe Manchin Repubs won't let us. We're helpless. We're powerless. We can never get what we want, because they won't let us. Woe is us."

      We see Dem supporters saying things like, "But what do you expect them to do?" As if the Dems in D.C. have done everything that political leaders can do.

      The fact is, no, they have not. Not by a long shot. Anyone who has read anything about history understands the kind of things that could be done. The fact that the Dems don't do those things indicates that they are either completely incompetent, or else they don't actually want to accomplish what they say they want to accomplish.

      The Dems have perpetrated a huge mindf@ck on their base. That kind of mindf@ck is deeply abusive and traumatizing, and creates massive trauma-bonding that keeps their base glued to the Dem party, defending the party, and unable to see what's going on. And the Dem party did this to them -- to their minds and their psyches -- willfully and deliberately.

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        [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

        Dem voters absolutely have Stockholm Syndrome in the biggest possible way

        Here's what may be an interesting question:

        Taking it out of the political realm, and just looking at it as a thing...

        What do the Mental Professionals recommend as treatment/cure for Stockholm Syndrome?
        Specifically for First Stage -- the subject does not yet know that they have it, and will resist being shown that they do?

        [–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

        I think the subsequent case of TDS makes treatment unlikely.

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          [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

          I would assume that it would involve talk therapy...

          But as with most things like this, how do you get them onto the couch in the first place? They don't see a problem, remember?

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            [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

            That's as far as I've gotten.

            [–]MeganDelacroix🤡🌎 detainee 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

            You won't find it in the DSM; it's a media term, not a medical one. That kind of thing would generally fall under PTSD.

            edit: as for treatment (NMA) the terms you're looking for would be along the lines of cult exit counseling or strategic intervention, formerly known as deprogramming therapy, which got a bad rap for various reasons, but mostly one particular practitioner who iirc went to prison for some rather extreme interventions... looking it up now, yeah, his name was Ted Patrick and he was eventually convicted of kidnapping and false imprisonment. 1970s.

            There are still philosophical controversies in this area because it necessarily involves accepting the concept of some reduction of libertarian free will, but basically, the APA's code of ethics stresses that all therapy of this type must be completely voluntary, and must be seen to be completely voluntary.

            Preferably, a family member will be involved, and a combination of talk therapy and information sharing produces the best results. Since the causes of susceptibility are at least as important as the episode itself, more extensive therapy is usually recommended afterwards.

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              [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              Excellent points.

              This is what Discussion By Analogy is supposed to be for (IMO).

              First, examine what is being used as the analogy without connecting it back , then see how well the analysis applies to what was being analogized.

              If the analogy is a good one, you may gain new insight.

              This one might not quite qualify as an analogy, but... close enough.

              [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              100%.

              [–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

              From Leslie Nuchow:

              Mark,

              People need to be aware of what the DNC is doing to NH. Here is a post of mine explaining it:

              NH has been the first primary in the nation for over 100 years. It’s not only a state tradition, it is a national one.

              A short time ago the DNC decided to change the primary order and removed our First-in-the-Nation status. No discussion. Nothing. Just changed it.

              Our state law dictates that we must be the first primary in the United States.

              Even IF we wanted to comply, we can’t. The DNC knows this full well.

              Last night I found out that the new DNC bylaws have JUST been changed to be super clear that if NH (or another state) holds a primary outside of their new schedule, no delegates will be issued.

              And while we have been talking about the possibility of the DNC pulling this corrupt move, finding out they have put it in their bylaws has hit me hard.

              I am not naive. I come from a political family and I know the games. I grew up knowing them. But I’m still gutted. It never ceases to amaze me how deep the corruption goes.

              We need to have the biggest turnout ever at the Dem primary at the end of January 2024. Not just for NH but for the fate of our nation. This is voter suppression. This is subverting the will of the American people.

              [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

              In 2020, NH had just 24 out of 3,979 pledged delegates, less than 1%. If the DNC refuses to issue NH delegates, it has essentially no effect on voting at the convention. The threat has the teeth of a plastic lice comb.

              The NH primary is about momentum. I would love to see NH go ahead with their traditional primary and watch RFK Jr sweep it for the simple reason that NH residents are ornery and value their freedom. "Live free or die." They are also very political and prefer to meet candidates in person before voting.

              [–]Maniak🥃😾 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

              All reasons for the DNC to do this and entirely ignore whatever comes out of this primary.

              [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

              The obvious follow-up question is "would the Media also ignore whatever comes out of this primary?"

              (I did not say that it was a difficult question.)

              [–]Maniak🥃😾 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

              (I did not say that it was a difficult question.)

              (and it's really not :)

              [–]LeftyBoyo67Tired of Dem Pefidy 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

              I think that’s a great option! Tell the DNC to stuff it and demand that Biden take a public stand on the issue. NH voters deserve a say in the election!