Reddit breaks the law to quell protests - spez has gone too far

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[–]ageingrockstar 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Hacker News discussion of the video this video is commenting on, suggested that reddit wasn't actually restoring deleted comments and that the person is getting confused because some of the subs he had commented on were private when he was doing his deleting (so his comments weren't visible, including to him) and then have opened up again (thus showing his comments again, not actually restoring them).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36482168

[–]FThumbStay thirsty, my friends 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Interesting.

Hmmm...

Same post, reddit and here. 400 Here Now on reddit, on saidit, 10 Here Now.

On Reddit, this post sees 13 upvotes and one comment. Here, same timeframe, this post sees 12 upvotes and 12 comments.

Yeah, reddit traffic stats are bullshit.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

WotB(Reddit): 25 comments in 2 hours.
WotB(Saidit): 100 comments in 10 hours.

Saidit/s/all: 100 comments in 4 hours.

[–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

  • WotB(Reddit): 12.5 comments per hour.
  • WotB(Saidit): 10 comments per hour.
  • Saidit/s/all: 25 comments per hour.

FTFY

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I post the data I can get. I leave the conversion to others.

[–]tsanazi2 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

TLDW:

Reddit seems to be forcing users to delete content manually one by one which is evidently against California law. A user manually deleted his content TWICE and reddit kept restoring it which is apparently against the law.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Definitely against the law in the EU. Oopsie!

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Always remember:

Edit first, THEN delete.
Better yet, edit twice.

[–]Maniak🥃😾 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Hell, depending of what you're doing with the edit, you may even just leave it there afterwards :)

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There IS that...

[–]Maniak🥃😾 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Quick addendum after a glance at the old.reddit code from the saidit fork, seems like editing a comment causes a delete then insert (with same id and updated data), with the delete being the same as for a proper deletion. I'm not seeing anything related to keeping x versions of those 'things' so this would be done on the database and however many versions they keep when deleting a comment would be the same when editing. Might even be worse because after each edit, you're deleting another instance :)

Anyway, just a cursory glance, I certainly missed things and they may have added the whole versioning business later on specifically to make sure that nobody can really take their content away from Reddit, who knows :)

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

they may have added the whole versioning business later on specifically to make sure that nobody can really take their content away from Reddit, who knows :)

Oh, they almost have to have put in extra backups by now....
The only option is to make it not worth their while to restore from those backups.

How to do that? That would be up to the individual.

My vote is to make is so that when they restore, they restore one of the previous edits.

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    [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

    It may be too late, but one thing you could do to foil the AI text examination bots (the ones that would theoretically restore backups from further and further back until they hit actual commentary) is this:

    Swap your comments. That comment you have in Subreddit A, use it to edit over your reply in Subreddit B, which is edited over your comment in Subreddit C. Etc. Genuine comments, as far as a stupid AI can tell, but completely non-sequitur.

    Your words, your sentence structure, your misspellings, and would make no sense in context, which the AI would have no time to check.

    Wait a couple of days, then edit over clumsily and delete.

    If they restore to your last known comment, hilarity would ensue.

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      [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      But should it happen, I'll most definitely do this....

      Alternate idea -- Fantomas.

      Open your comment history, and replace each comment, in order, with two or three lines of your manifesto, such that it makes absolutely no sense UNLESS one looks at all of your comments in order, out of context.

      Better yet, unless they look at your comments in reverse order.

      [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

      However. I do hate to burst your bubble on this but....

      Before Reddit broke the API, I had been using a utility to crawl through the Pushshift data to retrieve older comments.

      And it turned out that none of my edits more than about five minutes old were in the database.
      (You know how sometimes when you make an edit you get an "edited" asterisk, and sometimes you don't?)

      Apparently, a few minutes after a comment is made, Reddit archives it.
      So the whole editing thing might be mostly pointless. Unless they do not decide to restore from their unedited archive.

      OTOH, swapped comments, instead of your comments all saying "fuck spez," might make it less likely for Reddit to run a restore program.

      [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      Be sure to edit it to something different every time. There should be a limit to their edited comment backlog.

      And if you then wait a couple of days before deletion.....

      [–]Maniak🥃😾 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

      As always, fuck spez.