You bros just dont get it. 'Round here we care deeply about freedom of speech, and thats why we are extremely concerned that you aren't banning enough people. Bans are the building blocks of dialogue. War = Peace, weakness = strength and Censorship = Speech

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[–]bootylicious 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (66 children)

I know you're joking, but - if I may - for the others:

TEMPORARY bans for REPEATED dickish behaviour is at issue, not permanent bans for a few comments. (That's giving someone a second chance to be less dickish.)

This is better than the insulting, permanent 'I like turtles' tag on unpopular visitors who had no idea they would have to be self-tagged in this manner because they did not agree with other users in this echo chamber. (This just gets rid of people who have some sembance of self-respect and would rather not self-tag themselves with 'I like turtles' in order to have a conversation, which automatically prohibits mutual respect in a free speech discourse.)

[–]risistill me 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I know you're joking, but - if I may - for the others:

LMAO, what others? you're the only one who hasn't been repeating yourself about this here for two days..

I would not be surprised if the OP was made to mock your performance on another thread started by the same OP and you still don't get it. https://saidit.net/s/WayOfTheBern/comments/b0cv/this_sub_has_the_most_draconian_censorship_on_the

[–]bootylicious 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

again - I respond to comments. Leave me alone (for the 2nd time)

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Dude...

Read some of the stuff on our sidebar

We've been through some ish.

This is not the big deal you insist on thinking it is.

[–]bootylicious 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

None of what I've mentioned above has been in the sidebar (nothing about turtles, types of bans, taxes, temporary bans, permanent bans, etc).

I'm also not claiming this is a big deal. I'm merely pointing out the problems, and getting a lot of false responses (like yours in this case) that I've had to respond to.

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

(nothing about turtles, types of bans, taxes, temporary bans, permanent bans, etc).

The PSA one does in regards to the attitude to folks that do things...

Why is this on a Sanders sub also reflects how we feel.

False responses

Well that's certainly a new one. I mean... I'm typing out the letters and giving a response that accurately points to information in regards to how people moderate and do things in a certain manner. Might be a bit rigid to claim it's fake news because somehow it doesn't feel like it points to everything you want when it does...

🤔

[–]bootylicious 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Those two items are not in the sidebar. Perhaps someone should put them in the sidebar.

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

It's in the moderation dedicated post

[–]bootylicious 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Also not in the side panel - or at least I don't see it there. The persistence with this issue - that visitors should automatically, magically understand WatB's unusual shell rules and whatever - indicates to me that those arguing with me about this have some form of autism. If WatB is not explicit regarding shell or ban requirements, they have no argument when shelled users complain.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

have some form of autism

Damn. We need more Bingo Cards.

Responded to wrong person. Apologies.

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

The only reason to attack anyone's character is to ignore your own ignorance and pedantry by not following the posts laid out in the sidebar outside of what you believe.

In short, you continuously come to conclusions before you get facts.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

...have some form of autism

Damn. We need more Bingo Cards.

[–]bootylicious 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

not at all

I've merely explained in numerous ways what's wrong with shelling users...

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You hold onto your belief while ignoring anything in the post.

[–]risistill me 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

None of what I've mentioned above has been in the sidebar (nothing about turtles, types of bans, taxes, temporary bans, permanent bans, etc).

More missing the point. Inuma did not say what you mentioned is on the sidebar. He suggested that you read the sidebar. Maybe--just a guess--he thinks you need to understand what this sub is about.

I don't know why I am trying to explain anything. My bad. I won't do it again.

[–]bootylicious 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No

He said:

Read some of the stuff on our sidebar

We've been through some ish.

In response to this: "TEMPORARY bans for REPEATED dickish behaviour is at issue, not permanent bans for a few comments. (That's giving someone a second chance to be less dickish.)"

And it's NOT in the sidebar, ffs.

[–]SudoBreakSandwich[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (50 children)

its not permanent

[–]SudoBreakSandwich[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

people tried to inform you its not permanent and you very conveniently said you were "Done" with the discussion

[–]bootylicious 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (48 children)

It is permanent, according to the information sent to the user who is required to like turtles. There is no indication anywhere that this is temporary.

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (47 children)

The notice does not say it's permanent, but does not say it's temporary either. At Reddit, the word got around that the turtle shell can be removed if no longer needed.

[–]bootylicious 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (46 children)

Yes - it's expected to be permanent to anyone who gets the notice; and for the long period thereafter, the automoderator ban remains active, with absolutely no indication of a reversal of that turtle tax.

I'm seeing a major trend at WatB that many of the regular users don't want visitors to undertand WatB's approaches.

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (45 children)

I'm seeing a major trend at WotB that many of the regular users don't want visitors to understand WotB's approaches.

It's not deliberate. WotB has been doing this for seven years at Reddit so we're used to doing things certain ways. New WotB members at Reddit have adapted quickly to our quirks, so we haven't had to do much work on new user orientation.

[–]bootylicious 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (44 children)

I've been a Reddit WotB member for years - since the time Bernie campaigned (I helped him) - and still knew nothing of the turtle tax, types of bans, inside jokes, what's considered 'dickish' particularly at WatB, &c. A couple years ago I unsubscribed because it had been overrun with misinformation that's spread by the right and/or the 1% perhaps 4 years go. There have been some concerns on the sub that relate to Bernie. And I know that Trump's PR fooled people into believing that he was an outsider, somewhat like Bernie, and thus many Bernie voters were fooled into voting for Trump (who helped push the GOP agenda, as their puppet, harder than ever. I and others knew Bernie was unelecable after the DNC did not support him, and then Hillary failed to campaign properly, while also worrying potential voters. Trump got the anti-abortion vote, which was arguably the main message that turned Christo-fascist voters in his favor. But I digress.) Anyhow: I've visited WatB for years and didn't know what I've learned in the past few days about the sub.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

I've been a Reddit WotB member for years... and still knew nothing of the turtle tax

That actually is one of the features of The Turtle. It is not as "Glaring Yellow Star" as certain people have claimed it is.

People can (apparently) go for years and not see it at all. At least, not notice it. The Turtle is much more apparent to the recipient than to those who do not know about it. Its innocuousness, its meaninglessness, is deliberate.

It was never meant to be an identifying mark, although some do treat it that way -- it is merely an extra requirement on "certain people."

[–]bootylicious 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

It was never meant to be an identifying mark, although some do treat it that way -- it is merely an extra requirement on "certain people."

I doubt this intention matters to 'shelled' users. The result is not dissimilar to this

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Funny, but you seemed to have missed all of the "Yellow Star" arguments that were made years ago while you were allegedly at r/WeAreTheBern......

Made, and dealt with. This is nothing new.
At least, not to us.

[–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've been a Reddit WotB member for years - since the time Bernie campaigned (I helped him) - and still knew nothing of the turtle tax, types of bans, inside jokes, what's considered 'dickish' particularly at WatB, &c.

We've heard that a lot over the years, and more times than not, it turns out the person making those claims was actually thinking of SandersForPresident, not WayoftheBern. Lack of Turtles, lack of "inside jokes" etc.... it fits the pattern.

I've visited WatB for years and didn't know what I've learned in the past few days about the sub.

Still haven't learned what the acronym is yet, it appears.

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    [–]bootylicious 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I explained this earlier, and won't explain it again. Essentially, I was at the sub for the period in which it was about this:

    not a Bernie Sanders sub but it strives to emulate his WAY of building coalitions with political opponents on those issues where agreement can be found.

    I don't know if anyone was 'shelled' at that time.

    Within a year or two of the sub's creation it was hijacked by the right-wing misinformation one still sees today. I unsubscribed at that time. The quote above has been entirely untelated to WatB.

    [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    I was at the sub for the period in which it was about this: "not a Bernie Sanders sub but"

    You might wanna go check the archives (yes, we have archives).
    That wording is fairly new.

    [–]NetweaselContinuing the struggle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Perhaps they were actually at r/WeAreTheBern? And got confused?

    [–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (23 children)

    And that right there:

    I unsubscribed because it had been overrun with misinformation that's spread by the right and/or the 1% perhaps 4 years go.

    ... There's yer sign.

    2019 was the year that others were gearing up for another Bernie run and some had to watch that heartbreak happen twice. The "misinformation" coming out was about the FBI and Russiagate which people were dealing with. The misinformation was the preparation for COVID to take over the news. The misinformation was the fact that Trump was targeted by the FBI right along with his followers similar to Nixon so the Deep State could support their agenda. And what do you know, sidebar got you covered on misinformation...

    Othering citizens to demonize dissent

    [–]bootylicious 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (22 children)

    ^ THIS is indeed why I unsubscribed (thanks for mentioning it)

    I prefer facts

    [–]CaelianPost No Toasties 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I prefer facts

    Then what are you doing on the Internet?
    😺

    [–]InumaGaming Socialist 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (17 children)

    If you preferred facts, you'd supply them instead of making claims without proof.