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None of the vaccines are ever subjected to true placebo-controlled trials. It's the only medical product that is exempt from that prior to license. Anyway, what happened in the DTP vaccine when it was pulled in this country was pulled because so many people were suing the drug companies.

Wyeth, which is now Pfizer, was the primary manufacturer. They went to the Reagan administration in 1986, and they said, you need to give us full immunity from liability for all vaccines, or we're going to get out of the business. And Reagan actually said to them, why don't — they [Wyeth] said, we're losing $20 in downstream liability for every dollar we're making in profits. And Reagan said to them, well, why don't you make the vaccine safe? And they said, Because vaccines are "unavoidably unsafe."

That's the phrase they use. And that phrase is in the statute. And it's also in the Bruesewitz case, which is the Supreme Court decision upholding that statute. And so anybody who tells you vaccines are safe and effective, the industry itself got immunity from liability by convincing the President and Congress that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe.