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[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (64 children)

The way you cunts are talking, you sound like you want russia to win. WTF?

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

So? Better than the British winning

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

So??? Earth to captainramen, commies are the bad guys

[–]stickdog 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

And Russian oligarchs are commies?

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yea?

[–]stickdog 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, they are capitalists, as are all current Western oligarchs.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Earth to whoever the fuck you are, the British are the bad guys

[–]at_finn 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

But it's different when we do it. We are dropping bombs of peace.

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not different, because we 'officially' inherited the British Empire when Truman took office.

We were never supposed to be an Empire. We have lost our way.

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Ya I know. Why the fuck do you keep bringing up the brits? They've been the bad guys since 1066. This is why we have to stop bad guys.

[–]risistill me 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Bad guys since 1066, yet we're not trying to stop them. To the contrary, we're in a mutual aid society with them.

Maybe stopping bad guys is not really our agenda.

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

yet we're not trying to stop them

Eh, yes we are! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army

[–]captainramen🇺🇸🛠️ MAGA Communist 🛠️🇺🇸 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because this thing between them and Russia goes back at least 300 years? That's fine, whatever. The problem is they lack the balls and the ability to fight the Russians themselves. They always hide behind someone else.

Meanwhile, America has no actual, organic beef with Russia. We're natural friends and allies. We only went down this road with them in the first place when that Southern Democrat cuck traitor Truman started the cold war for his masters in the City of London.

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

So you really are a commie?

[–]CaelianPost No Toasties 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The problem is they lack the balls and the ability to fight the Russians themselves.

They also need a modern poet as good as Tennyson to describe the outcome :-)

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (25 children)

Most of us looked into Ukraine and how they have swastikas, hatred, ignorance, bigotry and antipathy to others and want nothing to do with C14, Svoboda, or any of the other groups that murder and torture and are the outgrowth of 75 years of CIA meddling into that region.

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (24 children)

You can have swastikas, hatred, ignorance, bigotry and antipathy to others as long as you like. Thats your choice, and its called freedom.

But who invaded who? Which country actually acted upon their swastikas, hatred, ignorance, bigotry and antipathy to others?

[–]stickdog 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ukraine was actively shelling cities in its own country before Russia invaded. Or did you not realize this?

[–]Newmug 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

This is a brain melter. Are you ready? Are you ready for this???

Russia invaded in 2014!

Ukraine fought back, by shelling the russians in the occupied part of their country, between 2014 and 2022.

With me so far?

Russia then attacked Kyiv in 2022, with the intention of taking over the entire country.

Ukrainians are still shelling russians, in their own country.

Do you understand this?

[–]stickdog 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you think it makes you somehow virtuous to cheer for and fund one side over the other in an ethic border war between two corrupt oligarchies thousands of miles away from you?

[–]risistill me 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

both and NATO.

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

NATO didn't do anything you retarded democrat.

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (18 children)

Ukraine

They were shelling in the Donbas for eight years

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

No they weren't. And Donbas is Ukrainian. Lol

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (16 children)

The Donbas had a referendum and became Russian. Meanwhile, OSCE reports are right here while the Donbass shelling was covered but ignored by the Corporate media

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

Not sure where in the world you are from, but I live here. I can 1000% guarantee you that any referendums held under russian occupation were rigged.

And of course the Ukranians were shelling in 2017, they were invaded in 2014.

If Canada invaded you, wouldn't you fight back?

[–]stickdog 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If Mexico was receiving its arms from a Russia-led federation and was intent on joining this Russia military alliance as a full-fledged member, do you think that the USA would just stand by idly?

[–]risistill me 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I can 1000% guarantee you that any referendums held under russian occupation were rigged.

You personally cannot guarantee even 1%, much less 1000%. Step away from the Kool Aid and stop vomiting back what establishment media feeds you.

Sorry, but I argued with too many like you when I posted on an all Dem board. No more patience for it.

[–]Newmug 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Fuck you then, commie scum

[–]stickdog 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

DBAD

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

And of course the Ukranians were shelling in 2017, they were invaded in 2014.

Yes. By America

Cohen argues that the Ukrainian crisis, which unfolded in late 2013 and early 2014 and which led to Crimea’s annexation by (or “reunification with”) Russia and to the still ongoing US-Russian proxy war in eastern Ukraine, is a seminal event of the 21st century. It militarized and moved the new Cold War to Russia’s borders—in the form of a civil and proxy shooting war—indeed to inside a civilization shared for centuries by Russia and large parts of Ukraine. It implanted a toxic and dangerous political element in US, Russian, Ukrainian, and European politics, perhaps for at least a generation. And it has left Ukraine in near-economic ruin, with thousands of citizens dead and millions displaced and many more struggling to regain the quality of life they had before 2014. The events of 2014 also led to the ongoing NATO buildup on Russia’s western border in the Baltic region, yet another new Cold War front fraught with the possibility of hot war. Making things only worse, in late 2017, the Trump administration announced that it would supply the Kiev government with more, and more sophisticated, weapons, a step that even the Obama administration, which played a major detrimental role in the crisis, declined to take.

[–]Newmug 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

And? Russia still invaded a soverign country and killed thousands of innocent people. No amount of political bolloxology is worse than that.

[–]InumaGaming Socialist 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

[–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

A better analogy would be New York voting to succeed and join Canada and the rest of the US declaring war on New York, and Canada supporting New York. Especially if New York was majority French speaking, and the US was persecuting them for it. My take would probably be good riddance to bad rubbish.

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Except thats not what happened in the Ukrainian situation. At all.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

See our sidebar if you're unclear about our ONE freaking rule.

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Check it yourself! When did Ukraine ever invade or harm another country, never mind russia???

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Your opinion on the war is not under discussion, this is:

The way you cunts are talking

That's called being a dick.

[–]Newmug 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Ok. Sorry. Its normal language where I live.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

It's not how we do things here, thanks for getting that.

[–]Newmug 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You're right. This is not reddit.

[–]penelopepnortneyBecome ungovernable 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

We didn't allow it there, either (for the record).

[–]CrazyjanecreepyjeffReality Monger[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

If Russia wins, the western imperialist hegemony still has some checks on its power.

If Russia loses we're full speed ahead into an even more global, inescapable, pervasive low-wage police state.

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

What????? If russia attacks a soverign country whatsoever, thousands of innocent people will die. Start there. Then worry about low wages.

[–]CrazyjanecreepyjeffReality Monger[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

The US was killing innocent people in droves for years before this current conflict broke out. You're providing an emotionally driven argument. Here's a quick explanation of the historical context for Ukraine and Russias actions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFgCJejVtFE

[–]Newmug 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Yea, the US were wrong too, nobody is disputing that. When your tax dollars went to Afghanistan, you should have been protesting.

That link is bullshit. Hedges basically says "Ukraine promised not to join NATO, then they changed their minds. Therefore russia has the right to kill them". Thats the most fucked up logic I ever heard.

Tell me, how did you like 9/11? Were you in Manhattan that day? Did you know anyone who got pulverised by the collapsing towers or who suffocated to death in concrete dust? Were you concerned where your tax dollars were being spent when the second plane hit, or when the Pentagon was attacked?

[–]CrazyjanecreepyjeffReality Monger[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Thats the most fucked up logic I ever heard.

It’s the same logic the US would employ if China or Russia placed missiles in Mexico or Canada. You’re kidding yourself if you think the US wouldn’t immediately go to war preemptively to prevent the missiles from even being placed.

I was in high school when 9/11 happened and subsequently the invasion of Iraq. My special interest in politics started with an English research paper about money-in-politics as it relates to campaign financing. I also worked at that age so yes I’ve been concerned about where my tax dollars have been going for decades now. I’ve dug into the circumstances of 9/11 quite a bit. I think it’s ridiculous the families are still having to fight the biden administration to hold the Saudis accountable.

[–]stickdog 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Yeah, I was fucking concerned. 19 Saudis supposedly pulled off 9/11. So why did the USA use this tragedy as an excuse to strip US citizens of trillions by destroying the lives of millions of Iraqis and Afghanis?

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't know, ask your own government. Whats your point?

[–]stickdog 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

My point is that I don't like funding bullshit military misadventures thousands of miles away from me that serve no purpose other than to enrich defense contractors.

Why are you so concerned about the fight between Russia and Ukraine? I'm not. It's not my fight. It is an ethnic border war between two corrupt oligarchies. I don't want to fund either side with my tax dollars. How about you?

[–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I'd rather my tax dollars not go to being the world police. Especially not to the ass end of the planet like Ukraine, Afghanistan or Syria. Let it be Europe's problem.

[–]Newmug 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

Its the entire civilised world's problem.

How did you like 9/11? Were you in Manhattan that day? Did you know anyone who got pulverised by the collapsing towers or who suffocated to death in concrete dust? Were you concerned where your tax dollars were being spent when the second plane hit, or when the Pentagon was attacked?

[–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Nope. Still don't care. And I want the Patriot act ended. Considering the US helped create Osama bin Laden and he was radicalized by US forces in Saudi Arabia, it's far better for the US to be more concerned about our own back yard and less meddling in others.

[–]Newmug 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So when russia and China nuke your back yard, will you start to care then?

[–]stickdog 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sure. Will you please stop authorizing disastrous military misadventures on the other side of the world until then?

[–]BlackhaloPurity Pony: Pусский бот 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Dinking around in Ukraine, makes that far more likely, than not. Your arguments are weak and uninformed. You should cut back on the MSNBC.