Modern Communists: SDS & RCA

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[–]xoenix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

I came across an article while doing some searches that talked a communist group from the 70s/80s was opposed to gay rights because they believed it was a misogynistic attack on women's rights. Very confusing topic to research, with both liberals & communists advocating and rejecting gay rights or ownership of the gay rights movement.

In the 1950s & 60s, Soviets used to mock the degeneracy of the west, while they were upholding classical traditions.

[–]JulienMayfair 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Gay rights is a football that's been tossed around all over the place. I've seen arguments to the effect that capitalism is fundamental to gay identity because wage labor makes it possible for individuals to live outside the structure of the traditional family.

I also heard that China is now doubling-down on family values because they see the patriarchal family as a tool for social order.

American Communists have never really lived under Communism, so I think they tend to see it as some sort of benign anarchy, bless their naive little hearts.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

It seems to me that any state that is interesting in controlling the means of production is going to take a keen interest in the means of producing people.

Like it or not gay couplings do not produce children. It stands to reason that any centralized planning will only value such relationships when they have a situation where they don't need more children. The massive post war population booms being a good example of this. Such a situation isn't sustainable and as population demographics shift you'll see a focus back on traditional relationships for procreative purposes.

I think a more interesting idea to ponder is the benefits of gay relationships for any sort of corporate entities. It somewhat makes sense to me that corporations would be interested in hiring gay employees as they are far less likely to take parental leave.

[–]JulienMayfair 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Like it or not gay couplings do not produce children. It stands to reason that any centralized planning will only value such relationships when they have a situation where they don't need more children.

Gay people are really too small a percentage of the population to have a great impact on the birth rate, and lesbian couples can easily produce children with a minimal sperm donation. If a government really wanted to increase the birth rate by any means, one step would be to outlaw contraception for heterosexual couples.

[–]xoenix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

A lot of Gen Z is "politically gay." As in, they reject heteronormativity and the nuclear family as a rejection of capitalism.

[–]JulienMayfair 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well, the fact remains that modern gay identity appeared at around the same time as modern industrial capitalism and urbanization, in contrast to a more rural, agrarian way of life. And it was the same transformation of work and family that allowed women to live independently, as opposed to being bound to the family by childbearing and child-rearing responsibilities.

And, of course, capitalism created the smartphones that, in turn, created (or warped) the minds of Gen Z. I don't see too many of them wanting to go live off-grid in the wilderness. That would be too scary.

[–]xoenix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, belief in communism didn't appear until industrial capitalism either. Marx himself said it wasn't possible before that.

[–]Alienhunter糞大名 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree they are basically statistically irrelevant in the long run but usually countries that go towards such centralized planning tend to be totalitarian states and they aren't usually tolerant of "alternative lifestyles" outside of what the planning committee have prescribed as best.

[–]LyingSpirit472 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

American Communists have taken the logic: Karl Marx has a long white beard, Santa Claus has a long white beard, ergo, Karl Marx is literally Santa Claus. As such, genderwoo will be connected because trans people truly believe the second communism is installed the transformation will be fully complete and they will become a literal anime girl- but then, the incel believes communism will give them a girlfriend, the bigot believes the group they hate will be exterminated, etc.