Jimmy Fallon calls a man “bud” and pisses off the trans community

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[–]Femaleisnthateful 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

More of this. I love it when TRAs reveal how insufferable they are. The bar for 'transphobia' is impossibly low and the goalposts keep shifting so much that pretty soon everyone gets sick of the game.

I barely heard the word 'bud' in that segment. Hunter Schafer passes pretty well if you don't know what to look for (that costume is obviously doing a lot of heavy lifting to obscure his male physique). Jimmy Fallon never seemed to be mocking him or being anything less than complimentary. Also, Hunter never seemed to take offence to any part of the interview.

I call my female friends 'dude' all the time, and as an actual female, I have never felt entitled to complain if people don't see me as a 'queen' or whatever hyperbolic nonsense they're invoking in their tweets. Pretty obvious they're all men.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I have never felt entitled to complain if people don't see me as a 'queen' or whatever hyperbolic nonsense they're invoking in their tweets.

Probably because you’re not an insufferable child.

I was having a discussion about child behaviour with a friend the other day and he asked about a child in his class who was constantly claiming that other children were bullying them. It’s actually a bullying tactic, it’s bullying by proxy, they’re using a teacher to bully the other children and it is actually quite insidious and can be very upsetting for the children accused because being considered a bully is so stigmatised these days. It’s actual crybullying.

These people are using the same tactic, just instead of a teacher they’re using their social media reach to do it.

A healthy society would call this shit out, but we have deified victims to such an extent that few are willing to challenge this sort of behaviour.

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yeah like without sounding too mean to the kids, when something is happening there's often a reason. Like it's natural consequences if you're telling on everyone that other kids won't want to play with you, not bullying. It's a part of growing up to learn what behaviour is acceptable and what isn't and that being seen as bullying seems detrimental to everyone. Not exactly going to teach the kid that's forced their way into a group how to make friends either.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Had a 8 year old child about 7 or 8 years ago who had no one to play with at break or lunchtime. So, trying to be nice I asked a group of other children from my class to include this child at break that day…. I repeated this until I had asked every other child in the class. The lonely child was lonely because they treated every other child badly - I had to deal with crying children after every break/lunch - none of whom were the lonely child.

The day that that lonely child left my class to move schools was a relief and I honestly pitied the poor teacher who was getting them.

The reasons for the lonely child’s behaviour were 100% down to the junky mother who had a very young child and another on the way (different dads naturally) and the fact that the mother would always take the path of least resistance-misbehaviour was excused, if the lonely child said they felt ill with even the most minor complaint they were kept home etc.

Parenting matters more than anything else, and bad parents really screw children up.

[–]Haylstorm 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I feel bad for that kid if no one modelled good/expected behaviour they aren't going to magically learn it and it sounds like the mother indulges their whims which is never a fun combo. Kid is probably going to learn a painful lesson at some point that they should've learnt long ago without the violence.

Can't imagine how hard it is for the other kids either. Doing the 'right' thing and the kid just being awful. Just awful all round.

[–]ClassroomPast6178 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Some turn it around. I had another child who was an absolute nightmare for every teacher but me. They seemed to like me so behaved well whenever I was around (they were never in my actual class).

I find out that the very first week at secondary school they get caught with a knife, expelled and sent to a PRU - essentially a school for the pupils with behaviour problems that normal schools can’t deal with. They spent a year in the PRU before being back in a normal school - graduated with qualifications and by all accounts is now making a good life for themselves whilst looking after their younger siblings. The PRU did the job the child’s parents couldn’t and turned a child’s life completely around and I’m confident that without it they would either be in prison or dead right now.

[–]Haylstorm 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good for them!

Hopefully they can make sure their siblings do the best they can there. And more people who need it feel the benefit of a PRU like that kid. Though it's not a one size fits all thing it does seem like it can be a really useful tool of last resort.

[–]OuroborosTheory 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

like the beleaguered train conductors who got written up because a themby didn't like "ladies and gentlemen" over the tannoy, and of course the poor counter jockey being bellowed at by 6'6" male in eye shadow for accidentally slipping and saying "sir," AND having to clean up the ruined displays

naturally they have the gall to then bellyache that people are just PRETENDING to humor them out of fear of extrinsic punishment

[–]brimshaeBased Woodchipper Merchant 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

transphobia

Transphobia is wrong. The word to be used is "transmisia".

[–]alladd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Hunter Schafer is supposed to be like the gold standard for passing, right? That dude looks like a dude.

Jimmy Fallon's chill attitude betrayed him. It takes a tremendous amount of mental pre-planning to not, you know...call someone what they are. His natural empathy kicked in and he recognized this dude as his bud.

[–]pacmanla 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

That's what I don't get. Even the "best" looking most "passable" trans-identified males, look like males. I remember being shocked when a bunch of women said they didn't know Nikki tutorials was trans. What?? I knew by the thumbnails that Nikki Tutorials was a dude identifying as a "woman", who was giving makeup advice. I never watched a single video, but knew on the thumbnails alone.

Blaire White NEVER passed to me & certainly doesn't nowadays. I remember getting effeminate gay male vibes from him, when seeing one of his videos popup. Bailey Jay could be argued the "best" "passable" one, but I remember seeing an unfiltered photo & video. Both screamed male, especially the video.

This Hunter Schaefer doesn't pass to me all that well either. Before I knew who he was, I saw an interview with him & felt that something was "off". I googled the name & sure enough I got the picture. Trans-identified males age just like males as well. They have to continuously have surgical procedures to try & maintain their "passability". It rarely if ever works. Biology, DNA, genes, etc. are hard to get away from & quite simply can't.

[–]alladd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's really true. Every single time I have ever seen a troon my mind has flagged them as off. I remember being fucking weirded out for SO long by Christine McConnell for this very reason, until I saw a KF thread exposing him as a HSTS.

It's just there always on a subconscious level. Maybe women can't pick up on it because they're not supposed to, or maybe they're just socialized to be nice and lie. But it's always only a superficial manipulation. Probably part of why so much trans stuff is online-only and obsessed with still images. It's easy to convince someone that way, when you can control the image. But it just totally falls apart IRL like the rest of the ideology.

It really is wild when you think about it. You'd think there'd be at least one out there. ONE, that passed completely, that all the others were aspiring to. But they all just sort of narcissistically tell themselves they'll be that one, someday, despite all proof to the contrary.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

There's pictures somewhere of Hunter doing a modelling gig on a runway half naked. He's clearly a dude with very fake breast implants.

[–]alladd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When people compliment him it reminds of the way they compliment old actresses. "They look great...for their age."

Like, he looks great...as great as a surgical balloon animal version of a woman could, anyway.

[–]Wanderingthehalls 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's a social 'be kind' thing. Women show up as better at determining the sex of a person from a range of traits, even just gait seen through points of light. Men and women are both very, very good at determining anyone's sex (no-one passes in real life) but women have the edge on it.

[–]shadeviking 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, that's gotta feel like a kick in the balls to those people.

[–]gloomy_bear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't like him, but that's funny he did that.

[–]Zoomergroid 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And troons wonder why people don't like them