TRANSGENDER"More like genocide denial tbh. The south is literally trying to eradicate us."

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[–]ClassroomPast6178 7 insightful - 6 fun7 insightful - 5 fun8 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

We are in the earliest stages of a trans genocide, the stage of a genocide where the media, politicians, doctors, celebrities, sports personalities, law enforcement, corporations, the military and half the population are all praising troons and telling them how fabulous they are.

[–]LtGreenCo 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (14 children)

Healthcare isn't a right? WTF?

If it involves the agency of other people, it's not a right. Life, liberty, happiness, etc. are things you can pursue without forcing others to get involved. Healthcare not so much, as it necessitates getting other people to provide it to you. Laws that force medical professionals to provide you with healthcare are actually infringing on said professionals' rights to their own labor.

Similarly, trannies have the right to pretend to be the opposite sex, but do not have the right to force the rest of us to believe it and/or comply with it.

[–]alladd 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Yeah, I dunno about that definition. The right to due process is provided to all citizens of the US and that confers quite a lot of effort and time onto the state and other citizens to form a jury, hold a trial, etc.

[–]TossEmFar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I think the difference in due process is the fact that being there is mandatory. It would be more comparable if you were forced to be in the hospital when you're injured, but could only get a doctor if you paid first.

Obviously any comparison will fall apart at some point, but exploring these nuances is half the fun!

[–]alladd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I mean it SHOULD be a right, as should a number of other things that are currently prohibited by income. Ideally the end goal of any fully advanced civilization should be total unemployment (work at will) and the guaranteed access to every aspect of the state as a right of law. It just isn't economically feasible yet.

[–]NormalPear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Ideally the end goal of any fully advanced civilization should be total unemployment (work at will)

Maybe I'm reading this part wrong: why do you assume that, if there's unemployment, there still wouldn't be a need for contribution? The people who'll still work ("at will") to clean up the streets, take garbage, etc. will want to do this while there's those who don't contribute something... While they're busting their backs off? Is the country going to use robots to do these things?

Even within prehistoric societies, everyone had to contribute. No matter how big/small it was.

the guaranteed access to every aspect of the state as a right of law.

Where exactly the money for these things are going to come from?

[–]alladd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

It's an ideal. You're asking me to provide real data on an ideal. Sure, robots and magic.

[–]NormalPear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nah, it's just pretty retarded.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Well, that also leads to the answer to claim healthcare IS a human right, because the tiebreaker; no matter how high the medical bills a patient has, the hospital is not allowed to refuse service to the patient. They may need to pay for it, but the hospital isn't allowed to say "You owe us this money so we're going to let you die."

End result, healthcare counts as a human right.

[–]TossEmFar 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Sadly, a single web search turns up the fact that hospitals are allowed to (and frequently do) refuse treatment on grounds that the patient is unable to pay.

[–]LyingSpirit472 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Emergency rooms do not, however.

[–]LtGreenCo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's a municipal right which is more of a privilege really, afforded to people lucky enough to be under a government that considers it a right. I'm referring to inherent rights, i.e. "god-given rights" or "human rights", which is what Reddit OP is talking about.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's a great example I'll use in the future. I'll add that "rights" are just part of a legal framework as part of living in a society and legality isn't necessarily good or moral. We should strive to make rights as good and moral as possible. People can say "healthcare is a human rights" and I think many would agree but a "legal right to healthcare" can have MANY caveats as it does now in the US. The hospital might be legally required to treat you at the ER but right now there is nothing preventing you from being placed under crippling debt as a result. I would also argue that the powers that be actually like this system because it creates a class of pseudo indentured servants who are perpetually unable to question the ruling class in any effective way because they can't afford to lose their job and spend way more than 40 hrs per week working.

[–]alladd 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I guess a layman's way of looking at rights are "free shit that makes your life better". I wish healthcare was like...fire care. State subsidized, low paying, yet still emulated, packed with volunteers.

[–]NastyWetSmear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think there's a lot of room for discussion on if or not Healthcare should be a right, and if or not the way American treats it actually counts as a right, but I don't feel like that's the key thing the thread was looking at... And the fact that one of their most popular responses is focused on that instead of proving this supposed genocide that they are so upset about that this thread was created is kind of telling.

[–]NormalPear 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It isn't a right, but that could be the said the same to those roads, infrastructure, etc. you use.

If Healthcare were to be a "right," it should be a right for the TAXPAYERS

[–]NastyWetSmear 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Statement: this person refers to themselves as a “T-girl” which is a fetish term for a trans woman.

Ohhh, That one is a fetish? Huh, okay.

[–]Oyveygoyim 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds exactly like something a jew would say...probably just another cohencidence...