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SANITYIs woke fashion coming to an end? Was it only ever about being given licence to gawk at freaks in the first place? Apparently the obese and ugly don’t want to buy lingerie modelled by the obese and ugly.
submitted 6 months ago by ClassroomPast6178 from web.archive.org
[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (0 children)
Over the past decade, several brands have decided to pivot to a more “inclusive” marketing strategy, including lingerie superpower Victoria’s Secret. Earlier this week it was reported that, because of a revenue drop, the fashion line is ditching “wokeness” and returning to “sexiness”. In other words: say goodbye to overweight or “unconventional” models, and welcome back the Victoria’s Secret Angels with whom we grew up. Interestingly (and maybe just coincidentally), this was announced soon after they debuted an adaptive intimates line, featuring models with both common — and much rarer — conditions, like spina bifida or multiple amputees. Brands which have made similar, “more inclusive” marketing shifts, have frequently been criticised for spreading pro-obesity or even “pro-ugliness” propaganda, while supporters have countered that it draws more people into fashion. Some more practical-minded observers have argued it’s about the bottom line: if a brand has obese models, it probably has obese customers. As it turns out, even if they do, those obese people probably don’t want to be reminded that they’re obese. Or, in Victoria’s Secret’s case, disabled as well.
Over the past decade, several brands have decided to pivot to a more “inclusive” marketing strategy, including lingerie superpower Victoria’s Secret. Earlier this week it was reported that, because of a revenue drop, the fashion line is ditching “wokeness” and returning to “sexiness”. In other words: say goodbye to overweight or “unconventional” models, and welcome back the Victoria’s Secret Angels with whom we grew up. Interestingly (and maybe just coincidentally), this was announced soon after they debuted an adaptive intimates line, featuring models with both common — and much rarer — conditions, like spina bifida or multiple amputees.
Brands which have made similar, “more inclusive” marketing shifts, have frequently been criticised for spreading pro-obesity or even “pro-ugliness” propaganda, while supporters have countered that it draws more people into fashion. Some more practical-minded observers have argued it’s about the bottom line: if a brand has obese models, it probably has obese customers. As it turns out, even if they do, those obese people probably don’t want to be reminded that they’re obese. Or, in Victoria’s Secret’s case, disabled as well.
[–]notafed 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (4 children)
What they've forgetten is that fashion is about fantasy, especially lingerie. People want to feel sexy, so they imagine themselves in the garments being modelled by the perfect models, superimposing themselves in the best light. Instead, the companies have been providing reality and people have to look at themselves through that lens instead and they don't like what they see.
[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun - 6 months ago (1 child)
Yeah, it’s why every bloke that puts on a tuxedo thinks they look like James Bond rather than what they actually look like, usually an awkward dude in an ill-fitting suit.
There’s absolutely zero things wrong with having that fantasy feeling when dressing up. The trouble comes when you expect others to treat you the way your fantasy has you feeling, and I think the “self-esteem” and “empowerment” nonsense is to blame for that.
[–]AriShekelsteinDDS 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (0 children)
I’ve always joked that as a guy, we think we look dashing when we suit up, but most of us just look like harried managers at an Italian restaurant.
“Food ok tonight? Having a nice time?”
[–]alladd 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun - 6 months ago (0 children)
I think VS still believes in fantasy. They were just misled by HAES online types into thinking there actually existed some sizable contingent of obese women who found their obesity sexy and worthy of display, rather than maybe a dozen or so fat influencers whose positively cancerous levels of self-delusion and denial over their nasty bodies had inadvertently spread all over the internet to make it falsely seem like a burgeoning new confidence among all fat women.
[–]OuroborosTheory 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 6 months ago (0 children)
"When I tried to buy lingerie for my wife, I was faced with racks of terry-cloth robes and ugly floral-print nylon nightgowns, and I always had the feeling the department store saleswomen thought I was an unwelcome intruder."
--the founder of Victoria's Secret
[–]alladd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (2 children)
I could have told you in a second this was a bad idea. Nobody hates seeing fat women as much as other fat women. It just reminds them of themselves. If they want to sell sexy clothes, they should try putting them on sexy people. Damn they should hire my ass.
[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (1 child)
Don’t women also hate seeing thin, attractive women, too?
[–]alladd 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun - 6 months ago (0 children)
There's always a little envy wrapped up in aspiration, sure. But the point is to cater to the aspirational, not the desperate.
[–]AriShekelsteinDDS 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun - 6 months ago (0 children)
“You remind me of Lizzo”.
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